Nurse ! do as the cop says or get arrested
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I could see the new policy doing that, but if Payne, as a (paramedic) has been pulling blood on other patients without consent and giving it to the police, isn't that inadmissible evidence? And HIPPA violations? No warrant needed. No PC or RAS needed. He obviously didn't have any respect for patient rights and if he wanted to force Wobbles to do it, I don't see him having any issue doing it himself. As Nemo pointed out, he seems to like pushing until he gets what he wants.
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Whoa... is there any evidence that Payne had drawn blood from any other patient without consent?
And yes, if he had done so it should be inadmissible (at least as far as my layman's understanding of it all).
I suspect he wanted Wubbles to do it because he was not equipped (no materials) to do so and he knew the hospital wasn't just gonna give him a needle and vacuum tube to draw on an unconscious patient for any non-life-threatening reason.
He didn't get enough respect from the nursing staff as an EMS tech and he dang sure was going to demand they respected him after he pinned on a bright, shiny badge.
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No evidence at all, just saying he had no problem arresting a nurse for not handing it over, so would he question himself in a similar situation and "protect" his patients? No, he would draw blood, no questions asked.
Then there's
Then there's
which would indicate however screwed up the old policy was, enforcing HIPPA and other laws may not have been a high priority.
They do this all the time
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Officer released statement through his attorney saying that he would like to apologize to the nurse in person if given the chance to do so.
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If she does not let him, then he is probably going to arrest her again.
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Oh, If I were that nurse, I would make an appointment for him to apologize to me. In public, with reporters, live, with TV cameras rolling.
I would tell him to get down on his hands and knees and beg my forgiveness.
And when he was finished, I would tell him "That's not good enough". I want your house, your car, your clothes, your bank account and everything else you own, Right down to the food in your pantry. Let's start with your badge. Take it off right this second in front of the TV cameras and give it to me, you bleeping bleep.
There is NO excuse for what happened here. None.
I'm as pro-LE as it gets, but this was simply inexcusable.
I would tell him to get down on his hands and knees and beg my forgiveness.
And when he was finished, I would tell him "That's not good enough". I want your house, your car, your clothes, your bank account and everything else you own, Right down to the food in your pantry. Let's start with your badge. Take it off right this second in front of the TV cameras and give it to me, you bleeping bleep.
There is NO excuse for what happened here. None.
I'm as pro-LE as it gets, but this was simply inexcusable.
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Wow, that would be impressive
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Oh, you have no idea how vindictive I would be in a situation like that. I would threaten to sue the guy for everything he had and leave him homeless, living under a bridge in a cardboard box.
And THEN I would threaten to take away the cardboard box.
I would tell that guy that he would need my permission to clip his fingernails, because I would own the clippings.
It takes a lot to get me that angry. I've only been that angry a couple of times in my life. But if I was the nurse in this incident, I would be that angry again.
And THEN I would threaten to take away the cardboard box.
I would tell that guy that he would need my permission to clip his fingernails, because I would own the clippings.
It takes a lot to get me that angry. I've only been that angry a couple of times in my life. But if I was the nurse in this incident, I would be that angry again.
He has that shiny piece of metal though, we can't do that to him. He's special.
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Police in general are given great leeway to beat, permanently injure, paralyze, and kidnap innocent citizens, and to unnecessarily shoot and kill others who do things like walk slowly with a knife by their side that doesn't get raised toward anyone, use their car to pull forward a few feet and bump the bumper of a patrol car while boxed in, or who try to drive away from a police stop, miss hitting any officer by a few feet, and then get shot in the back multiple times when their car is no longer a threat.
Yeah, I know - follow their orders (often shouted at you by multiple officers and often contradictory) and you won't get hurt. :roll:
Most officers do actually care about human life, but just about all would (at least in practice) if we stop letting them off the hook for violating human life.
Yeah, I know - follow their orders (often shouted at you by multiple officers and often contradictory) and you won't get hurt. :roll:
Most officers do actually care about human life, but just about all would (at least in practice) if we stop letting them off the hook for violating human life.
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I'm not saying all cops, or cops in general, are bad. I am saying that a lack of accountability from the state has created fertile ground for bad things to happen.
For example: For years I ran a service business. If we were neglectful or harmed a person because of failure to properly train and discipline our employees, we faced criminal and civil penalties.
The police, however, can draft outright dangerous or illegal policies and it is tolerated. As is ignorance of the law by a person charged with enforcing the law.
When the state loses as case the accused should 100% be made whole. And if ANY laws were broken be the state, charges should automatically be filed against the actor.
When officer Smith's file shows he's cost the state 3.2m over his career and has been arrested 5x for false imprisonment, perhaps they will reconsider keeping him on. And his peers will think twice before handing out extra-judicial punishments.
For example: For years I ran a service business. If we were neglectful or harmed a person because of failure to properly train and discipline our employees, we faced criminal and civil penalties.
The police, however, can draft outright dangerous or illegal policies and it is tolerated. As is ignorance of the law by a person charged with enforcing the law.
When the state loses as case the accused should 100% be made whole. And if ANY laws were broken be the state, charges should automatically be filed against the actor.
When officer Smith's file shows he's cost the state 3.2m over his career and has been arrested 5x for false imprisonment, perhaps they will reconsider keeping him on. And his peers will think twice before handing out extra-judicial punishments.
I totally get what you're saying, and that would be really nice, however we've gotten to a point in this country where the people in power can't admit that a State actor allegedly committed a crime (arresting a state actor for a crime that they allegedly committed) that might get people thinking, thinking crazy things like maybe they shouldn't worship that nylon sky cloth. Possibly bring down the entire legitimacy of the system. We can't have that. Not today.
You can't tell people the truth anymore, it's way too messy and nasty, they don't want to hear it anyway, could makes people have sleepless nights. We can't be keeping people up at night.
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You can't tell people the truth anymore, it's way too messy and nasty, they don't want to hear it anyway, could makes people have sleepless nights. We can't be keeping people up at night.
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Suck it police unions
No Stephen, detective Jeff Payne did that all by himself.
http://reason.com/blog/2017/09/27/police-union-complains-that-public-got-t
No Stephen, detective Jeff Payne did that all by himself.
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The victim she was protecting has died.
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