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I read somewhere that the patient was unconscious, and the law didn't allow for her to take the blood while the patient was unconscious, does anyone know in this place if the law states that?

 

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I don't see a problem here...the cop didn't get his way so she must be arrested....there must be something we can charge her with....I mean damn, he is the authority

Did you hear his voice crack? So upset and furious he was told no, like a petulant child.

Where do they find these guys?

 

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Her nursing license was on the line and she was being threatened with arrest. However, Wubbels rightfully followed hospital policy and advocated on behalf of her unconscious patient. The patient could not consent, was not under arrest, and the officer had no warrant.

She refused to violate the patient’s rights and HIPAA policy. Per hospital policy, blood cannot be drawn from unconscious patients.

Source is nurse.org

 

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You might be a bad cop

 

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And you might be a bad citizen if you stand by and watch, too . . .

Agreed, and you better know the law and be right, no immunity if you're wrong

 

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Cops are authorized to perform medial procedures like drawing blood?

I know for a fact they are not legally, my attorney made that very clear and he's very good.

They need the nurses. Which is why this is so ridiculous

 

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Salt Lake Police Department has a program to certify certain officers in phlebotomy so that they may obtain blood samples. Detective Payne has been suspended from that program in light of the above incident.

Now, a question you might ask yourself is ... Why didn't Detective Payne draw the blood himself since he was trained to do so?

Did he perhaps realize the position it would put him in to do so and therefore sought to shift any blame or responsibility onto someone else's shoulders?

Wow, that's completely unethical, not shocking, however, I see a huge issue here of evidence tampering possibly here.

Someone outside the loop should be witnessing and signing the seal on that sample.

 

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Why is it unethical for a trained and licensed individual to perform an action he's trained and licensed to do (assuming phlebotomists are licensed/certified)?

LE regularly draws breath samples and there doesn't seem to be any ethical or 'chain of custody' concerns there.

Wow, that's completely unethical, not shocking, however, I see a huge issue here of evidence tampering possibly here.

Hard to tamper the machine at the station, fairly easy when you're the one drawing blood, totally two different things.

 

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Hold Fast...

 

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And if in his professional opinion the actions were detrimental to his patient he would be within his rights. I don't disagree with that.

All I am stating is that in the normal course of events, absent physical or bodily harm, we should give deference to those we vest with the authority to enforce the law and let the courts adjudicate the dispute after the fact. Is that really so difficult to understand or so radical a statement?

That's going to be a "no" for me, dog.

I don't give a damn what he wanted. You're not assaulting my unconscious patient. Badge or no badge. The patient can't advocate for himself so that's what I have to do.

:righton: thank you.

Local prosecutors ask FBI to investigate the local police
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lp-investigate-police/?utm_term=.1b933ba8031f

Heck yeah! That's one way to handle it!

Except, she was "arrested", but never charged. Arrested being physically handcuffed and detained. If they really thought they were right, why didn't they follow through? Payne certainly proved on camera he's a hothead and unfit for either of his two jobs previous jobs. Utah detective who dragged nurse fired from paramedic job

Two are suspended.http://www.wtsp.com/news/nation-world/2-officers-suspended-after-utah-nurse-arrested/470315944

Correct, this arrest was just childish revenge for him not getting his way. He's a cop, dontcha know?

 

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Trying to get ahead of something? As a way to conceal something? Thinking out loud.

 

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Translation: We really want to find an excuse to smear the victim to divert attention from our exercise in "public safety".

They do this all the time

 

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If she does not let him, then he is probably going to arrest her again.

:rotfl: :rotfl2:

 

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Oh, If I were that nurse, I would make an appointment for him to apologize to me. In public, with reporters, live, with TV cameras rolling.

I would tell him to get down on his hands and knees and beg my forgiveness.

And when he was finished, I would tell him "That's not good enough". I want your house, your car, your clothes, your bank account and everything else you own, Right down to the food in your pantry. Let's start with your badge. Take it off right this second in front of the TV cameras and give it to me, you bleeping bleep.

There is NO excuse for what happened here. None.

I'm as pro-LE as it gets, but this was simply inexcusable.

Wow, that would be impressive

 

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What he did was a criminal act of violence. He should be prosecuted as a kidnapper would be.

He has that shiny piece of metal though, we can't do that to him. He's special.

 

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I totally get what you're saying, and that would be really nice, however we've gotten to a point in this country where the people in power can't admit that a State actor allegedly committed a crime (arresting a state actor for a crime that they allegedly committed) that might get people thinking, thinking crazy things like maybe they shouldn't worship that nylon sky cloth. Possibly bring down the entire legitimacy of the system. We can't have that. Not today.

You can't tell people the truth anymore, it's way too messy and nasty, they don't want to hear it anyway, could makes people have sleepless nights. We can't be keeping people up at night.

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Like this nurse for instance, what a terrible person she is, going around protecting people's rights and stuff like that, who the hell does she think she is?

 

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Suck it police unions

Police Union Complains

Transparency about behavior of government employees is not a violation of due process.

Union head Stephen Hartney sent a letter to the city's mayor and police chief to complain video of the brief arrest of nurse Alex Wubbels has made "pariahs" of Det. Jeff Payne and his watch commander at the time of the incident, Lt. James Tracy.

http://reason.com/blog/2017/09/27/police-union-complains-that-public-got-t

No Stephen, detective Jeff Payne did that all by himself.

 

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Uh oh. Not looking good for Payne.

No sir, it's not