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Rifle-caliber "firearm" that's not AOW?

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#1 ·
So, we're all familiar with the non-shotgun "firearms" that shoot shotgun shells.
THey're not shotguns because they never had a buttstock on them, so they weren't built to be fired from the shoulder.
They're not pistols, because pistols must have a rifled bore AND must be designed to be fired one-handed.
They're too long to be an AOW, because the law says an AOW has to be concealable, and ATF's regs say that if a gun is at least 26" long, it's presumed non-concealable (unless they catch you actually concealing it).

WITH ALL THAT IN MIND...

WHY DOESN'T THE SAME LOGIC APPLY TO "firearms" WITH RIFLED BARRELS, chambered in rifle-caliber cartridges, No shoulder stock, AND a vertical fore-grip or other factory-supplied device that shows it to be a two-handed firearm? When such a weapon is over 26" long, why couldn't the barrel be short-- like those raptor-type shotguns with their 14" barrels?

Again, it would be built as a two-handed gun, with two pistol grips, but the back one angled backward enough to make the OAL measurement a tad over 26 inches.

WHY HASN'T THIS BEEN DONE YET? Is there any definition of any of these key terms in the federal gun laws, or published regulations and opinions by ATF, that prohibit it?
 
#2 ·
WHY HASN'T THIS BEEN DONE YET? Is there any definition of any of these key terms in the federal gun laws, or published regulations and opinions by ATF, that prohibit it?
I don't know. Why don't you design one and send it to Aero Precision, Savage, RemArms or anyone else and get their opinion. Maybe you could make enough money to retire.

For me motivating your invention and marketing, I get 10%.

Nemo
 
#4 ·
Why do you say all .223 guns with rifled barrels have to be RIFLES or PISTOLS?
Doesn't the definition of a RIFLE mandate that it be made to be fired from the shoulder?
So, what if the manufacturer builds this gun without any shoulder stock / buttstock?

And a PISTOL's definition says the gun is designed to be fired with one hand.
ATF has long said that adding a vertical fore-grip on a pistol means you're redesigning it to shoot WITH 2 HANDS. So if the manufacturer builds this gun with such a fore-end grip, it's made from the get-go as a two-handed weapon. Hence, not a pistol. Can't be a pistol.
 
#6 ·
A bit late to pitch in, but that seems to be what's being offered by Zev and by Delta Level Defense, here.


Technically an "other" on the following basis:

1. It's not a rifle because it has no buttstock. The cylindrical tube is spineless which will not allow a buttstock to ever be attached.
2. It's not a pistol, because it has a forward vertical grip
3. Under NY/CT law it's also not a pistol because the barrel length is greater than 12in, at 12.5in (including pinned muzzle brake) it is clearly not a pistol.
4. it's not an AOW, because its OAL is greater than 26in.


So, pick the caliber you want, and off for some retail therapy.