[rmodel65]

Someone having a party at 5 am isn't the same it's an audible problem that is spilling over to another's man's property

 

[BattleSausage]

All my life I've had acreage, from 1 to 14 in the 4 different houses we've owned. The current home is on 1 acre, and in a subdivision without an HOA. I'll never do it again I can honestly say. We're now building on a smaller lot but all of the space is usable unlike now where maybe 1/2 is with neighboring woodland and it's in a HOA neighborhood. I'll gladly take the it over the crap I deal with now. There are caveats to both, but unless you are a lots of land without close neighbors or just don't mind home values declining because of horrible neighbors (inevitably you will have some), I'll choose the HOA sub every time from here on out.

 

[atlsrt44]

Someone having a party at 5 am isn't the same it's an audible problem that is spilling over to another's man's property

For the point I was making they are the same. Some people don't care about those around them.

 

[Bob_Hayles]

If someone is messy yet within the rules fine. It is no different than neighbors that have parties until 5am in the morning.

Wrong. If someone has a party until 5am that should be fine. If someone has a party until 5am...or 9pm...and it is loud enough for the noise to leave their property at a decible level that disturbs your sleep...or dinner, or watching television, or whatever, THEN you have been harmed and its your business.

Until then its none of your business, even if their party runs 24/7.

 

[atlsrt44]

Wrong. If someone has a party until 5am that should be fine. If someone has a party until 5am...or 9pm...and it is loud enough for the noise to leave their property at a decible level that disturbs your sleep...or dinner, or watching television, or whatever, THEN you have been harmed and its your business.

Until then its none of your business, even if their party runs 24/7.

And if your property is so trashy it diminishes the value of my property then it is my business as well.

 

[Bob_Hayles]

And if your property is so trashy it diminishes the value of my property then it is my business as well.

You are wrong. Read and comprehend post #19 again.

 

[atlsrt44]

You are wrong. Read and comprehend post #19 again.

Yes they have the ordinances because a trashy property doesn't dissuade potential buyers at all. Along with crime, proximity to airports, sex offenders, and bad schools.

I'm sure people don't really care about how a person's property looks when they are about to spend several thousand dollars.

Justify however you like the rules were put into place for a reason.

 

[atlsrt44]

http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs...m/money/blogs/my-money/2011/06/17/how-to-spot-bad-neighbors-when-buying-a-house

 

[AtlPhilip]

Or be like me and shut them down when they overstep their authority. After the second or third time they learn that sending certain people letters full of BS won't work.

LOL. Dune buggy!

Our development handed control over to the residents as an HOA once development was complete. We held one meeting, to permanently disband the HOA.

 

[psrumors]

Yes they have the ordinances because a trashy property doesn't dissuade potential buyers at all. Along with crime, proximity to airports, sex offenders, and bad schools.

I'm sure people don't really care about how a person's property looks when they are about to spend several thousand dollars.

Justify however you like the rules were put into place for a reason.

The reason being, very few people can really support freedom.

 

[WGTactical]

Yes they have the ordinances because a trashy property doesn't dissuade potential buyers at all. Along with crime, proximity to airports, sex offenders, and bad schools.

I'm sure people don't really care about how a person's property looks when they are about to spend several thousand dollars.

Justify however you like the rules were put into place for a reason.

True. Fortunately I've been able to buy nearly all my trashy neighbors out and now a church parcel is on my west property line, HWY 166W is my south, a cattle farm (I recently bought 26 acres from) is my north and the only undesirables remain on my east side, not that beer cans thrown behind a mobile home with other discarded junk isn't nice to look at Anyway it really isn't that bad now that I've performed some constructive landscaping. But as indicated in an earlier post, the unkept conditions a man chooses to live in certainly says a lot about his character...Nothing good of course.

 

[Bob_Hayles]

Yes they have the ordinances because a trashy property doesn't dissuade potential buyers at all. Along with crime, proximity to airports, sex offenders, and bad schools.

As I said, my property is no Better Homes and Gardens cover shot, and I live in one of the lowest cri8me areas around, am on the opposite end of the county from a small airport, the schools in Pickens County are pretty well rated, and if there are any sex offenders near me its because laws about having to be a certain distance from parks, schools and day care centers have driven them out of the metro area and into rural Georgia. The people who live in metro Atalnta have exported the sex offenders to us.

I'm sure people don't really care about how a person's property looks when they are about to spend several thousand dollars.

Like I said, one person's trash is another person's treasure. How a property appears to someone is totally subjective.

Justify however you like the rules were put into place for a reason.

Of course they were. Like 90% of government "rules", they are about power and control.

 

[Bob_Hayles]

Someone having a party at 5 am isn't the same it's an audible problem that is spilling over to another's man's property

Which I addressed.

 

[Monkeyboy]

Kill them in their sleep. Then bulldoze the house. Push the house and its occupants and all the pallets and other trash into a burial pit and cover it.

Then plant a few fruit and nut trees and advertise your property as the only one next to a peaceful orchard. That should add $30,000 to the selling price right there.

Love this idea, can I steal your plan?

 

[RedDawnTheMusical]

Like 90% of government "rules", they are about power and control.

Sorry, but the HOA rules are generally put in place by the builder to maintain property value and to appeal to people that look for such protections to be in place. The builder then leaves and the HOA remains to be enforced by the residents. Many HOAs operate just fine. Other become corrupt and/or abusive. The property owners ultimately own the HOA and have no one to blame other than themselves if things get out of control.

 

[bubbageek]

Man, oh Man!

Up here, your status in the social structure of the community is determined by the year, make and model of the cars in your front yard up on blocks.

 

[Bob_Hayles]

The property owners ultimately own the HOA and have no one to blame other than themselves if things get out of control.

Sounds just like government.

 

[GM404]

I had to laugh about the HOA Board members being middle management and 'losers who want to be someone' (or something to that effect). When we bought our house in Texas, we had some issues with the seller that looked like was going to require a lawsuit. The seller kept going on about being a 'pillar of the community' and didn't want his image tarnished in a lawsuit. When I pressed about what kind of 'pillar' he was, come to find out that he was the treasurer of the HOA and that's it. You would have thought he was Tim Lee or something!

Today, we have a voluntary HOA. It's great because people can join of they like, but aren't obligated. All of our board members are retired though...no longer middle management lackeys.

Sent from my mobile device so please excuse grammatical errors.

 

[Blake]

Wow, this topic grew legs quickly. I have not lived in an HOA neighborhood and I may end up hating it, but right now I live in a subdivision without one and there are a couple of neighbors that just don't take care of their stuff. Mowing the grass once a month so it's always at least a foot tall, the one guy who I guess runs his plumbing business out of his home so he has stacks of pipe and toilets in his driveway, etc. I hear what some of you are saying about doing whatever you want on your property, and that's fine, but when it directly affects others' property values I see it as a problem. Privately owned land is one thing, but a neighborhood seems to be like everyone is agreeing to live the same way. No, these other houses did not look like that three years ago when I bought this house.

This is my first house. I'm 30; married for 4 years. It was listed at $160k, I bought it for $120k in 2012 when prices were low. I have a 15 year mortgage at 3.25% so I already owe less than $100k on the house. I tried to make all the right financial choices but the truth I've come to find out is that if you live below your means you will be surrounded by people who are over-leveraged to be on the same level. That, unfortunately, means people who live in the "I don't care what anyone thinks" lifestyle.

Now my task is to either find a nicer HOA neighborhood with a small, modest house, or join the rat race with a $350k 30 year mortgage and buy my way into having classier neighbors.

 

[rmodel65]

I'd find a house in a hoa neighborhood but that's not included in the hoa...isn't there someone on the forum that's house is like that