Nudum Pactum ?

 

 

Isn't that the truth. I have a multi-millionaire friend, best and longest friend from high school. Whenever we meet for lunch, I buy.

 

"Liberty is so great a magician, endowed with so marvelous a power of productivity, that under the inspiration of this spirit alone, North America was able within less than a century to equal, and even surpass, the civilization of Europe".
Mikhail Bakunin
Then came Big government.

 

hand clap, slow
for Malum

 

Actually, Malum, I think that Elliott is close to our age. Within a couple of years anyway. I'm not sure where I got this from, but that stuck in my mind from somewhere.

 

So every post I come do here from now on asking about options you've left me with your amazing government you love so much, you're going to come back with: stupid, niave anarchist, idiot doesn't know what he would do without the government there to protect him?

Well I know exactly what I would do. I would enforce out contract as best I could until the enforcement cost me more than the money.

Right now, in lost wages, I would have LOST money in fees or lost wages dealing with your wonderful government. In other words, your government wasn't worth anything to help me. That's all if I won, which isn't a guarantee when you're dealing with a corruptible system like our judicial system.

In fact, I'd just never use your crappy system that you love so much.

It sucks.

 

In fact, I'd just never use your crappy system that you love so much.

It's not that I "love it so much," but that I see political stability as a necessity for the standard of living we enjoy. As I wrote above, the instability inherent in your ideas would leave us all poorer. You disagree, but that is because I think you have not thought things through to their ultimate conclusion (not because you are young and naive, as you suppose).

You disagree because you are "an adult" and the government is "mafia" and "authoritarian" and we are all in "serfdom" . . .

Stringing together bumper sticker slogans does not make for considered thought on a subject.

Claiming option A is bad (government is bad, m'kay) does not support an argument that option B is good.

I also was not commenting on your age so much as my own when I toyed with voluntaryist thinking . . . which was probably before you were born. It appealed to me because I was young and naive. I am not saying that means it appeals to you because you are young and naive. I was never quite sold on it, however. Now, I have a lot more experience and knowledge about some things than I did then, and I realize there have been plenty of times when there was no effective government due to political instability or weak centralized government control over far flung areas. In none of those times or areas were the persons living there more prosperous because of that condition, but less, and a return of government authority usually brought more prosperity with it (because governments, interested in taxes, actively do what they can to encourage prosperity, which requires stability and predictability in transactions).

While I lean toward minimalism in government, I think a total lack of government would be disastrous.

You disagree and think it would be utopia. Utopians tend to have reality slap them in the face when they try out their ideas.

And you and I both know you would "use the crappy system" and do, practically every day. In the right circumstances, you would even use the armed force portion of it. Get real. That is the entire reason for this thread.

 

What? The book? 300 pages on a computer screen . . . I'll give it a try. Don't expect me to have it finished this weekend.

 

I skimmed it and already found false premises that she uses to support conclusions. I will bookmark it and try to go through the entire thing in the near future. I do like her attitude. She is not dismissive or sarcastic in presenting her arguments.

 

https://fee.org/articles/how-spontaneous-order-keeps-houston-affordable/

Here is a real life example of how spontaneous order keeps housing affordable in Houston, TX. It would work similarly in all sectors of the economy.

 

Cheaper than Dallas, more expensive than San Antonio.

 

. . . he did put me on ignore, literally, I got smart and used my brain to get him to agree to cough up the cash. I got it a few days later from someone I know in the area. Never used the government, I don't even think it was technically illegal.

If you can respond with facts, and not a rambling post full of fallacious arguments, I am curious, what did you and this person you know in the area do?

 

With such a BS preamble, I can't imagine why I wouldn't just tell you to EAD? :rotfl2:

 

Well?