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I am completely against this.....

Next they will include any kind of "shrink" visits, saying you are unstable. And gosh for bid you go to family counseling or anything like that. This is why I haven't and will never join the NRA. No offense to you that are. Just my personal choice.

Give em an inch and they will take a mile and a half!
 

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"This underscores the problems that have existed all along with the Brady Law. At the time it was passed, some people foolishly thought, 'No big deal. I'm not a bad guy. This law won't affect me.' But what happens when good guys' names get thrown into the bad guys' list? That is exactly what has happened, and no one should think that the attempts to expand the gun control noose are going to end with the McCarthy bill," the gun owners group continued.

This is just the beginning of a very long aggrevating road.....
 

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"Speaking to the CNN audience on June 13, head of the Brady Campaign, Paul Helmke, stated that, 'We're hopeful that now that the NRA has come around to our point of view in terms of strengthening the Brady background checks, that now we can take the next step after this bill passes [to impose additional gun control],'" said the gun owners.

I am hopeful Americans will wake up. More people are buying guns than ever and this will hit a wall sooner or later I think......I think......
 

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"The National Rifle Association has endorsed the plan as a way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally unstable."

But this is a good idea....right USMC? Cmon..... you don't have to tow the party line.

This is bad legislation. This is GUN CONTROL LEGISLATION. Written by Carolyn McCarthy, the Brady's, and the NRA!

THE NRA IS NOW THE ENEMY
 

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The plan allows names to be entered into the NICS system based solely on a physician's diagnosis or prescription of a medication: adults who have taken Ritalin and soldiers with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder would be classified as mentally ill and given the same opportunity to own firearms as convicted felons: None.
Come on, guys, this may be true, but I doubt it. Let's get up in arms about it only after this is verified. I am not sure this is in the bill.
 

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Well, that is just it - if true. Has anybody yet read this legislation? I confess that I have not.

Link?
 

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I call :bsflag:

(c) Standard for Adjudications, Commitments, and Determinations Related to Mental Health-

(1) IN GENERAL- No department or agency of the Federal Government may provide to the Attorney General any record of an adjudication or determination related to the mental health of a person, or any commitment of a person to a mental institution if--

(A) the adjudication, determination, or commitment, respectively, has been set aside or expunged, or the person has otherwise been fully released or discharged from all mandatory treatment, supervision, or monitoring;

(B) the person has been found by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority to no longer suffer from the mental health condition that was the basis of the adjudication, determination, or commitment, respectively, or has otherwise been found to be rehabilitated through any procedure available under law; or

(C) the adjudication, determination, or commitment, respectively, is based solely on a medical finding of disability, without a finding that the person is a danger to himself or to others or that the person lacks the mental capacity to manage his own affairs.

(2) TREATMENT OF CERTAIN ADJUDICATIONS, DETERMINATIONS, AND COMMITMENTS-

(A) PROGRAM FOR RELIEF FROM DISABILITIES- Each department or agency of the United States that makes any adjudication or determination related to the mental health of a person or imposes any commitment to a mental institution, as described in subsection (d)(4) and (g)(4) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, shall establish a program that permits such a person to apply for relief from the disabilities imposed by such subsections. Relief and judicial review shall be available according to the standards prescribed in section 925(c) of title 18, United States Code.

(B) RELIEF FROM DISABILITIES- In the case of an adjudication or determination related to the mental health of a person or a commitment of a person to a mental institution, a record of which may not be provided to the Attorney General under paragraph (1), including because of the absence of a finding described in subparagraph (C) of such paragraph, or from which a person has been granted relief under a program established under subparagraph (A), the adjudication, determination, or commitment, respectively, shall be deemed not to have occurred for purposes of subsections (d)(4) and (g)(4) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code.

(d) Information Excluded From NICS Records-

(1) IN GENERAL- No department or agency of the Federal Government may make available to the Attorney General, for use by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (nor may the Attorney General make available to such system), the name or any other relevant identifying information of any person adjudicated or determined to be mentally defective or any person committed to a mental institution for purposes of assisting the Attorney General in enforcing subsections (d)(4) and (g)(4) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, unless such adjudication, determination, or commitment, respectively, included a finding that the person is a danger to himself or to others or that the person lacks the mental capacity to manage his own affairs.

(2) EFFECTIVE DATE- Paragraph (1) shall apply to names and other information provided before, on, or after the date of the enactment of this Act. Any name or information provided in violation of paragraph (1) before such date shall be removed from the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.
I mean, it is the state that is reporting the information. Why and to where would a doctor submit what medicine you are on?

There has to be a reason for the state to keep your name and what drugs you are on. Again if no determination of danger to yourself or others/committed to a hospital, it should not be provided.

Also notice that to keep receiving funds, the state must also have a way to update those records if somehow you are put on the list.

I hate it when gun groups go into conspiracy theories on something that isn't even remotely allowed.
 

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GOA is dropping down a notch in my estimation . . .

Also, note that it speaks of adjudications. THis means there is a court judgment declaring you to be a danger.
 

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Malum Prohibitum said:
GOA is dropping down a notch in my estimation . . .
I've reached the same conclusion in the last couple of weeks. Looks like the only groups I'll continue to support will be:
GCO naturally
NRA *although I have issues with them I think overall they do good for us
SAF.
 

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The NRA still works with the enemy pure and simple.
 

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No doubt. Pretty soon the NRA will turn over the names of its members to the government. De facto registration, how 'bout them apples?
 

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Until they straighten their act up, I highly doubt I'm renewing when the time comes. Dang, I just looked and my membership is good until 31 JUL 2008.
 
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