You really don't have to show your receipt...

Discussion in 'Off-topic' started by Macktee, Sep 21, 2007.

  1. Macktee

    Macktee New Member

    0 ... cuit-city/

    "...As I headed towards the exit doors I passed a gentleman whose name I would later learn is Santura. As I began to walk towards the doors Santura said, “Sir, I need to examine your receipt.†I responded by continuing to walk past him while saying, “No thank you.â€

    As I walked through the double doors I heard Santura yelling for his manager behind me. My father and the family had the Buick pulled up waiting for me outside the doors to Circuit City. I opened the door and got into the back seat while Santura and his manager, whose name I have since learned is Joe Atha, came running up to the vehicle. I closed the door and as my father was just about to pull away the manager, Joe, yelled for us to stop. Of course I knew what this was about, but I played dumb and pretended that I didn’t know what the problem was. I wanted to give Joe the chance to explain what all the fuss was for.

    I reopened the door to talk with Joe and at this point Joe positioned his body between the open car door and myself. (I was still seated in the Buick.) Joe placed his left hand on the roof of the car and his right hand on the open car door. I asked Joe if there was a problem. The conversation went something like this:

    Me: “Is there a problem?â€
    Joe: “I need to examine your bag and receipt before letting you leave this parking lot.â€
    Me: “I paid for the contents in this bag. Are you accusing me of stealing?â€
    Joe: “I’m not accusing you of anything, but I’m allowed by law to look through your bag when you leave.â€
    Me: “Which law states that? Name the law that gives you the right to examine my bag when I leave a Circuit City.â€

    Of course Joe wasn’t able to name the law that gives him, a U.S. citizen and Circuit City employee the right to examine anything that I, a U.S. citizen and Circuit City customer am carrying out of the store. I’ve dealt with these scare tactics at other stores in the past including other Circuit Cities, Best Buys and Guitar Centers. I’ve always taken the stance that retail stores shouldn’t treat their loyal customers as criminals and that customers shouldn’t so willingly give up their rights along with their money. Theft sucks and I wish that shoplifters were treated more harshly than they are, but the fact is that I am not a shiplifter shoplifter and shouldn’t have to forfeit my civil rights when leaving a store.

    I twice asked Joe to back away from the car so that I could close the door. Joe refused. On three occasions I tried to pull the door closed but Joe pushed back on the door with his hip and hands. I then gave Joe three options:

    1. “Accuse me of shoplifting and call the police. I will gladly wait for them to arrive.â€
    2. “Back away from the car so that I can close the door and drive away.â€
    3. “If you refuse to let me leave I will be forced to call the police.â€

    Joe didn’t budge. At this point I pushed my way past Joe and walked onto the sidewalk next to the building. I pulled out my phone and dialed 911..."


    I am proud to announce that the baseless charges brought against me by the Brooklyn, Ohio Police Department were dropped this morning and the process of expunging my record has begun. Although I knew that this was a possible outcome for the last ten days, I didn’t acquire the certainty until late yesterday afternoon. I was not at liberty to make this announcement yesterday since the process had not formally been completed.

    This brings to a formal conclusion my criminal defense which began when I was arrested on September 1st, 2007 at a Circuit City for refusing to provide a police officer with my driver’s license. The fact that my charges were dropped reaffirms the assertion which I’ve made since the beginning: US citizens are not and should not be required to provide paper identification when asked by law enforcement, in most circumstances. In Ohio this right is specifically protected by Ohio Revised Code 2921.29 which states that a person may not be arrested for refusing to provide a law enforcement officer with anything other than a verbal representation of their name, address and date of birth. In other words, if you are walking along a sidewalk and a police officer has reason to question you, you must verbally state your name, address and date of birth, but you can’t be arrested for refusing to show your driver’s license. (Or for that matter your fishing license, marriage license, liquor license, etc.)"

    Plus a lot more.....!
  2. ls1ssdavid

    ls1ssdavid New Member


  3. asbrand

    asbrand Active Member

    Excellent news.
  4. Sine Nomen

    Sine Nomen New Member

    Anybody know how the law would treat this in Georgia?
  5. AV8R

    AV8R Banned

    I thought you were supposed to post this on the other thread. :?

    I hope Michael Righi can make a federal case out of this. If people such as he do not take a stand against the little infringements of our rights, the large infringements will be virtually impossible to fight.
  6. Macktee

    Macktee New Member


    I thought so as well but couldn't remember which one and couldn't find it quickly. OK, so I didn't look all that diligently. I'm basically pretty lazy...

    If any of the moderators wants to move this to the proper place, I would appreciate it.