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Campus Shootings Draw World Scrutiny
By PAISLEY DODDS

LONDON â€" Expressions of sympathy rang out from Buckingham Palace to Beijing as the world absorbed the news of yet another deadly shooting rampage in the United States and questions grew over how such violence could break out yet again and whether lax U.S. gun laws are a case of freedom gone too far.

Criticism echoed across Europe where gun laws are some of the toughest in the world.

The front pages of the British national newspapers in London Tuesday April 17, 2007 covering the shootings at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia USA. A gunman fatally shot 32 people in a dorm and a classroom Monday.

"Only the names change â€" And the numbers," read a headline in the Times of London.

Two professors from India and Israel were among the dead at the Virginia Tech shooting, the deadliest in U.S. history.

Liviu Librescu, 75, an engineering science and mathematics lecturer, tried to stop the gunman from entering his classroom by blocking the door before he was fatally shot, his son said Tuesday from Tel Aviv, Israel.

"My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," Joe Librescu said in a telephone interview of his father, who immigrated to Israel from Romania, and was on sabbatical in Virginia.

Indian-born G.V. Loganathan, 51, a lecturer at the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, was also among the dead, his brother G.V. Palanivel told Indian media.

"We all feel like we have had an electric shock, we do not know what to do," Palanivel said of his brother.

Few were surprised by the shooting â€" criticizing the availability of guns in the United States, lax gun controls and the number of Americans who cling to the constitutional right that allows them to bear arms.

"I think if this does prompt a serious and reflective debate on gun issues and gun law in the states then some good may come from this woeful tragedy," said British Home Office Minister Tony McNulty, who graduated from Virginia Tech in 1982 with a degree in political science.

Gun crime is rare in Britain, and handguns are completely illegal. The ban is so strictly enforced that Britain's Olympic pistol shooting team is barred from practicing in its own country.

Britain's 46 homicides involving firearms was the lowest total since the late 1980s. New York City, with 8 million people compared to 53 million in England and Wales, recorded at least 579 homicides last year.

Prime Minister Tony Blair offered his condolences to the victims' families but stopped short of criticizing U.S. gun laws.

"I would like to express on behalf of Britain and the British people our profound sadness at what has happened and to send the American people and most especially, of course, the families of the victims, our sympathy and our prayers," Blair said.

In Sweden, civilians can only get firearm permits if they have a hunting license or are members of a shooting club approved by authorities and have no history of violent crime.

"What exactly triggered the massacre in Virginia is unclear but the fundamental reason is often the perpetrator's psychological problems in combination with access to weapons," Swedish daily Goteborgs-Posten commented.

In Germany, where gun-control laws are strict, a teenager in 2002 shot and killed 12 teachers, a secretary, two students and a police officer at Erfurt's Gutenberg high school. The shooter was gun club member licensed to own weapons. The attack led Germany to raise the age for owning recreational firearms from 18 to 21.

"The instant I saw the pictures and heard the commentary it immediately brought back our own experience," Gutenberg high school director Christiane Alt said of the Virginia Tech killings.

Monday's shootings drew intense media coverage in China, in part because the school has a relatively large Chinese student body and because U.S. reports said the gunman may have been Asian.

Private citizens are forbidden from owning guns in China.

"People should think why an American-educated student would take revenge against America?" said a comment posted on the popular Internet portal Sohu.com.

Only 7 percent of the more than 26,000 students at Virginia Tech are foreign, according to the school web site. But Chinese undergraduate and graduate students comprise nearly a third of that.

In Italy, there are three types of licenses for gun ownership: for personal safety, target practice and skeet shooting, and hunting. Authorization is granted by the police. To obtain a gun for personal safety, the owner must be an adult and have a "valid" reason.

Several Italian graduate students at Virginia Tech recounted how they barricaded themselves inside a geology department building not far from the scene of the shooting.

"If the guns are harder to get a hold of, fewer people will do it," said Michael Dent, a 65-year-old construction worker in London. "You can't walk up to a supermarket or shop and buy a gun like in the States."

Associated Press Writers Charles Hutzler, Alexandru Alexe, Raphael Satter, Robert Barr, Karl Ritter, Nicole Winfield, Gavin Rabinowitz, Alex Braun and Courtney French contributed to this report.
 

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That's strange, the only thing I have seen in the news is a sharp RISE in homicides in Britain.... Go figure...I'd like to know where they got their stats from, they don't seem very accurate at all...I'll have to poke around and see if I can find the FACTS regarding Britains Homicide rates since AJC can never seem to do it... :roll:
 

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Britain's 46 homicides involving firearms was the lowest total since the late 1980s. New York City, with 8 million people compared to 53 million in England and Wales, recorded at least 579 homicides last year.
Interesting. So are they comparing homicides with firearms in the UK to all homicides in New York (i.e. bum on bum stabbing)? I bet it includes justifiable homicides as well. That's what I call good journalism. :roll:

Few were surprised by the shooting â€" criticizing the availability of guns in the United States, lax gun controls and the number of Americans who cling to the constitutional right that allows them to bear arms.
I wonder if any of them would like to revise their comments now that it has been confirmed that the shooter was a resident alien.

In Sweden, civilians can only get firearm permits if they have a hunting license or are members of a shooting club approved by authorities and have no history of violent crime.

"What exactly triggered the massacre in Virginia is unclear but the fundamental reason is often the perpetrator's psychological problems in combination with access to weapons," Swedish daily Goteborgs-Posten commented.
Right. So it would be impossible for someone to steal a weapon from a lawful Swedish gun owner and kill 30+ people at Chalmers University of Technology? :shakehead:

The attack led Germany to raise the age for owning recreational firearms from 18 to 21.
Ignorance rears its ugly head.

Only 7 percent of the more than 26,000 students at Virginia Tech are foreign, according to the school web site.
Out of 1820 foreign students there was 1 mass murderer. Out of 24180 domestic students there were 0 mass murderers. Not quite sure what the writer's point is unless Paisley is trying to suggest we need to be concerned foreigners coming into our country and buying guns.

In Italy, there are three types of licenses for gun ownership ... Authorization is granted by the police. To obtain a gun for personal safety, the owner must be an adult and have a "valid" reason.
Interesting. I'm sure Mussolini would fully support such a policy; facists love the idea of the state controlling who has access to firearms.

"If the guns are harder to get a hold of, fewer people will do it," said Michael Dent, a 65-year-old construction worker in London. "You can't walk up to a supermarket or shop and buy a gun like in the States."
"I'd like a number 5 with cheese and a Coke. Oh, can you give me a Glock 17 with night sights and 10 hi cap mags as well?" Ignorance strikes again. :roll:
 

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Thopught so...These are facts from here:

http://www.crimeinfo.org.uk/servlet/fac ... factsheets

(Yes there is some gun ctonrol BS on this page, but I posted it for the Gun crime facts, which are quite a bit different that what they posted in the AJC)

"How much gun crime is there?
[The figures cited throughout this factsheet come from the Home Office and police organisations].

In the year ending June 2005, there were 10,979 firearm offences recorded in England and Wales (excluding offences involving air guns).
This is a 6% increase from 2003/04 and continues the pattern of annual increases every year since 1997/98.
In fact, the current number of firearms offences is almost twice that of 1997/98.
Firearms were involved in 1,206 more serious incidents of violence against the person (other than homicide) in 2004/05 than in 2003/04.
In less serious incidents of violence against the person, firearms were involved in 4,568 offences â€" a 31% increase from 2003/04.
Firearms were used in 73 homicides in 2004/05 (under one in ten of all homicides), five more than the previous year.
There were 2,659 firearm robberies in 2004/05 (4% of all robbery offences) â€" down 9% from 2003/04.
412 firearm offences resulted in serious injury in 2004/05 â€" down 6% from 2003/04."

So again, where did AJC get THEIR facts, and does it matter if it is a firearm , knife or a toothpick , homicides will occur whenever a CRIMINAL can get possesion of any weapon...A fiurearm is the MOST useful in self defense situations....
 

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"freedom gone too far"


lol. england can eat a bag of dicks.
 

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Private citizens are forbidden from owning guns in China.
Private citizens are also forbidden by the government from being able to think for themselves. In the one case where a group of Chinese citizens began to think for themselves, they were murdered by the soldiers and tanks from their "moral" government.

So the liberal media wants us to look to Communist China for enlightenment? Screw that.
 

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Any crime statistics from the British Equivalent of our BJS (division of the Home Office) are not to be trusted, hell there own government doesn't trust it.

Contact crime victimization has gone up markedly in Britain since they put in their laws, that so much I do know

The AJC, Europe, and most of the rest of the world can go screw itself.

WE know what would have saved those kids and WE know ultimately whose hands this blood will stain when it comes time for judgment in front of God.
 

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"If the guns are harder to get a hold of, fewer people will do it," said Michael Dent, a 65-year-old construction worker in London. "You can't walk up to a supermarket or shop and buy a gun like in the States."
Dang, I sure would like to know which supermarkets or shops that one could buy a gun at. Would my Ingles Card be valid for such purchase??? :roll:

My dad once told me when he used to be able to buy guns and ammo in the local supermarket. Back then (pre 1968) "gun violence" was pretty much nonexistent. He bought his first gun when he was 13 and didn't even need his parents with him to make the purchase. He would take his gun to school and keep it in his locker so he could go hunting and shooting after school. WTF has happened since then!? :?
 

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Great....now I am gonna have nightmares. Thanks!




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If I wanted UK gun laws I would go live there. How dare they comment on our laws when they are living the reality of "Big Brother" at this very minute!
 

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In America, "buying a machine gun is often easier than getting a driver's license."

What?! I want to move there!
 
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