Without lawful, proper, or sufficient purpose . . .

Discussion in 'In the News' started by Malum Prohibitum, Nov 15, 2006.

  1. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Police have charged Mr Carvell after he shot a machete-wielding man who had entered the Small Arms International Gun Shop in July."

    "The alleged offender survived the .45-calibre shot to his stomach and has been charged with assault with intent to rob."

    "Mr Carvell faces a charge of possession of a firearm without lawful, proper, or sufficient purpose. ..."

    http://www.times.co.nz/cms/news/2006/11 ... 014036.php
     
  2. Sharky

    Sharky New Member

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    WOW just speechless...Happens everywhere.
     

  3. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    I was rather surprised when I discovered that running a gun store is not a lawful, proper, or sufficient purpose for having a firearm!

    Talk about an invitation to robbery!
     
  4. Sharky

    Sharky New Member

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    "machete-wielding man "

    Lets rob a gun store with a machete.................I just dont get it.
     
  5. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    What's not to get? People rob stores with edged instruments all the time, even in places where it is legal for the storeowner to be armed. If the robber lives in a place where it is not likely that the storeowner will be armed (although the robber guessed wrong in this case - the storeowner broke the law to arm himself), the odds are pretty good that the menacing presence of a machete will inspire submission in your intended victim.

    Some gangs here in America are using machetes just for the terror they induce.

    Trust me, robberies with sharp instruments are common occurrences.
     
  6. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    Self-Defense

    The way I understand it, all the former british colonies have become "enlightened" to the point that self-defense is no longer a legitimate reason to own a gun. Ever. Period. That's not to say that you can't defend yourself, but you can only defend yourself with non-lethal force. That way, not only can the government ban all guns that have a military or police heritage or look to them, but they can also mandate that the guns be stored in a way that they are inaccessible. Fully unloaded, locked in safes, and separated from any ammo.

    Pretty soon, hunting will be struck from the list of "legitimate reasons to own guns." No owning guns to kill people, nor for killing animals. You can only own guns for non-violent sports and hobbies. What does that leave?

    Target shooting? That's legitimate, sure. But then you don't need a magazine that holds more than 5 rounds. And you don't need to keep your gun at home, either. You can keep it in a locker at your range or gun club. Or you can keep it at the police station, and check it out when you show the cops proof of your registration as a competitor in a match.

    Collecting? Well that's still a legitimate reason to own a gun, but you don't have to have a working gun. We'll just make you weld the barrel shut. Or better yet, you can exchange your real metal frame for a plastic replica frame suitable for display in a collection.

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  7. Sharky

    Sharky New Member

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    yeah you got a point malum, just wacked in s wierd sort of way.
     
  8. USMC - Retired

    USMC - Retired New Member

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    So you noticed Malum's point.... Normally he wears a hat to cover it up.... :lol:
     
  9. Rammstein

    Rammstein New Member

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    It's New Zealand....you really expected him to get a pat on the back?
     
  10. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    From the original article:

    Trust spokesman Mr McVicar told the Times the shop owner “deserves a medal†instead of criminal charges.
     
  11. Rammstein

    Rammstein New Member

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    Yeah, but the over all climate of the land(s) down under are not sympathetic to guns or gun ownership at all.
     
  12. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    :D

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/4085909a10.html


    Oh, but:

     
  13. legacy38

    legacy38 Active Member

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    The possession might not have been lawful, but he had sufficient purpose.
     
  14. Macktee

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    Damn Guns! You beat me to it!
     
  15. GeorgiaGlocker

    GeorgiaGlocker Romans 1:16

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    I would get USMC for that MP. Just wear the TIE and make him look at it at close range.
     
  16. tj2000

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    Major Ashley-Pitt: In our experience, Americans are uncouth misfits who should be run out of their own barbaric country.

    Matthew Quigley: Well, Lieutenant...

    Major Ashley-Pitt: Major.

    Matthew Quigley: Major. We already run the misfits outta our country. We sent 'em back to England.

    Enough said..................................................
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  17. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    They are going after him again.

    http://www.tv3.co.nz/News/NationalNews/ ... fault.aspx

    "The Crown says it is considering further action in the case against an Auckland gun shop worker who shot a machete-armed intruder."

    "Crown Prosecutor Simon Moore says he should know by next week whether they will take the case further."

    "Two Justices of the Peace yesterday ruled there was insufficient evidence to commit Greg Carvell to trial on one count of unlawful possession of a pistol."
     
  18. Malum Prohibitum

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    "The Council for Civil Liberties says the police should have laid a stronger charge against a gun shop employee who shot an intruder with a machete last year."

    "Greg Carvell ... was charged with unlawful possession of a firearm ..."

    "The charge was dropped yesterday by Justices of the Peace at a depositions hearing in the Auckland District Court."

    "Council for Civil Liberties president, Tony Ellis, says a more serious charge should have been laid."

    http://www.newswire.co.nz/main/viewstor ... 2&catid=35
     
  19. Malum Prohibitum

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    "A court decision to clear a man who shot an armed intruder in his gun shop is worrying some lawyers and police as shopkeepers are warned not to keep loaded guns for protection." ...

    "Mr Carvell was not charged with shooting Beckham ... but he was charged with the unlawful possession of a firearm under a law which does not allow people to keep loaded guns for protection."

    "Yesterday police said the dismissal of the charge did not say to other shopkeepers it was okay for them to arm themselves against possible intruders."

    "'The dismissal of the charges should not be seen to carry the message that people ... should have weapons at the ready for self-defence,' police spokeswoman, Noreen Hegarty said ..."

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/4088175a11.html
     
  20. kkennett

    kkennett New Member

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    :? What is the matter with these people? What should one have ready for self defense, a stick to poke down your throat to vomit?