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Why don't we push to have all the confusing gun laws repealed to eliminate all the legal mumbo jumbo? Either GA is going to recognize the 2nd A or it is not. If it is going to honor the 2nd A, then ALL law abiding and otherwise eligible citizens should not be hindered from owning, carrying, and possessing a firearm, wherever they want to. It is ridiculous how complicated this has become. There are enough 2nd A Repubs that we should be able to get sweeping changes. There are even some demwits who have seen the light. This is the right time and climate to get a simple and real common sense gun policy.

I don't see a huge issue with getting a permit. I don't even see a huge issue with someone who has no experience being required to get at least a basic course to obtain their permit. If a person is LEO or military, then they should be exempt. We should hammer home the fact that criminals will only profit from gun restrictions while the govt agents(politicians) who support gun restrictions on law-abiding ciizens, support criminal enterprise and thus should be found unethically eligible to represent anyone as a public servant. They should even be held as accomplices to crimes on GA citizens.

Why do we not put pressure on our friendlies in the GA legislature to get us ALL the way this year? Make GA the Best place to live and own guns. Am I dreaming? Is it too much to ask for a Senator or Representative to introduce a bill to stop the harrassment of law abiding gun owners once and for all? Don't they know we are coming every year until we get it the way we want it?
 

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I agree the laws need to be simpler, and easier for cops and the rest of us to quickly and easily look up and know whats legal and what's illegal.

Now if you want to just eliminate all the restrictions on carrying weapons, and say: "Once you have a permit, you can carry anywhere not expressly prohibited by federal law" that would be Okay with me.

Would you have to trade mandatory gun safety training for wide-open carry w/o any places off limits?
Probably not. Anti-gunners aren't going to support such a bill even if the safety training requirement was put in there. So if you offer to do gun training and this bill passes, I think its likely that G.C.O. (by the way, are you a member yet? ) could have gotten the law passed even without us giving up anything or adding new restrictions on the permit process.
 

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What's wrong with that? At least he ain't lurking. :righton:
 

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I don't see a huge issue with getting a permit. I don't even see a huge issue with someone who has no experience being required to get at least a basic course to obtain their permit.
I would like to see your permit to post such comments. Also, please provide us with a transcript showing that you've completed satisfactory training to use words, sentences & such.
 

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I don't see a huge issue with getting a permit. I don't even see a huge issue with someone who has no experience being required to get at least a basic course to obtain their permit.
I would like to see your permit to post such comments. Also, please provide us with a transcript showing that you've completed satisfactory training to use words, sentences & such.
Would my Army Weapons Qual card for the M9 and M4 be sufficient or would my POST Cert be satisfactory? Permitted for 3 years now. In a perfect world, I would not want any of us to have to have a permit, but at least it separates us from the thugs in a manner of speaking. If I am not getting my point across, I think you can understand the spirit of what I am trying to say.

Which college would you want me to send you a transcript from, the one I have my Criminal justice degree from? The one I have my Psych and Soc work degree from? Or would you rather see the one where I am currently working on my Masters? I just want to make sure I qualify my use of sentences and such. :lol:
 

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AeroShooter said:
I don't see a huge issue with getting a permit. I don't even see a huge issue with someone who has no experience being required to get at least a basic course to obtain their permit.
I would like to see your permit to post such comments. Also, please provide us with a transcript showing that you've completed satisfactory training to use words, sentences & such.
Would my Army Weapons Qual card for the M9 and M4 be sufficient or would my POST Cert be satisfactory? Permitted for 3 years now. In a perfect world, I would not want any of us to have to have a permit, but at least it separates us from the thugs in a manner of speaking. If I am not getting my point across, I think you can understand the spirit of what I am trying to say.
I think we get your point. Since you have already had training and it didn't cost you anything (since the tax payers paid for it) you think there is nothing wrong with placing an expensive requirement on everyone else in order for them to be in the same class of people that you're in.

So what kind of training would you have me take in order to excersize my Constitutional right to carry.

Would my owning my first .22 rifle at age 5 be enough? How about being on my high school high power rifle team? Or how about since I am now 57 years old and have been shooting firearms for the last 52 years be enough to qualify? If not what kind of training would you want to require me to take?
 

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Would my Army Weapons Qual card for the M9 and M4 be sufficient or would my POST Cert be satisfactory?
No. It has to conform to a very narrow state-mandated curriculum, and is only offered twice per year in the far corner of the state. Oh, and there must be 8 solid hours of range time spent shooting.

When you are done, you get your permit to carry only the one firearm you qualified with....
 

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XDMWarrior said:
AeroShooter said:
I don't see a huge issue with getting a permit. I don't even see a huge issue with someone who has no experience being required to get at least a basic course to obtain their permit.
I would like to see your permit to post such comments. Also, please provide us with a transcript showing that you've completed satisfactory training to use words, sentences & such.
Would my Army Weapons Qual card for the M9 and M4 be sufficient or would my POST Cert be satisfactory? Permitted for 3 years now. In a perfect world, I would not want any of us to have to have a permit, but at least it separates us from the thugs in a manner of speaking. If I am not getting my point across, I think you can understand the spirit of what I am trying to say.
I think we get your point. Since you have already had training and it didn't cost you anything (since the tax payers paid for it) you think there is nothing wrong with placing an expensive requirement on everyone else in order for them to be in the same class of people that you're in.

So what kind of training would you have me take in order to excersize my Constitutional right to carry.

Would my owning my first .22 rifle at age 5 be enough? How about being on my high school high power rifle team? Or how about since I am now 57 years old and have been shooting firearms for the last 52 years be enough to qualify? If not what kind of training would you want to require me to take?
Let's get one thing straight. Two tours in Iraq(03 & 05) and one in Afghanistan(08) cost me plenty, and though it was at taxpayer expense,my family and I also paid dearly and still continue to do so. Now do you want to take your rhetoric any further? I don't know if being the new guy and willing to post my ideas has lit a fire under your butt or what, but I have no reason to further address such assinine posts. I also said that I did not think training was a bad idea. I train to live and fight another day. Without training, I would not be alive today. Having served with other people who are not weapons savvy as I am, I am glad they got some training.

Seajay have you ever been at a range and thought, " My god that idiot needs someone to teach them how to shoot and not to turn around with a weapon aimed at everyone."

Let's see you are 57 and have been shooting 52 years. I should have read that first to realize just what kind of person I was responding to.

There are different classes of people and there have been since the beginning of mankind, and there always will be. If you worry about keeping up with the Jones', you will lose sight of your realistic goals. Keep your eye on the ball.

If training will loosen our rights up more, then I am all for it, but like gunsmoker implied, it ultimately will not make much difference either way. Here is food for thought. I recently took the motorcycle safety course at Robins Air base. I am 41 years old and have been riding since I was 5 years old. I didn't really think I knew it all, but I thought I knew most of it. I left that 1 day course with a lot of knowledge and techniques that could save my life or another's life at any given time. I learned some things about various manuevers to safely make split second decisions to save my life. So training does help, but like most things, it depends on attitude.

If training will help get us a couple more votes to freely carry as we please, then I think it is an acceptable compromise. Otherwise the training will not help detour any accidents because people like yourself with 52 years of shooting already know it all. Seajay you should take a training course at Ft Benning called Advanced Combatives. You would get your eyes opened, and they don't even use guns for the course, except to show you what a highly trained and motivated unarmed soldier can do to a terrorist with a weapon. Maybe I am wrong though, you have probably been watching the WWF for 52 years and already know how to get out of a headlock. Is Mr. Wrestling #2 your hero?

I have been walking for about 39 years but that doesn't make me a marathon runner. You hvae to TRAIN for that. I have been talking for about 39 years, but I am not a public speaker, Training again. I have been learning all my life, but that doesn't make me a genius. Though, I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night. I am still in school training for more education and knowledge to make me better at my job. Training is being taken way out of context by some here.

Use "training" as a tool to get what we want. Hell any training requirement added to any current or future legislation would still not hinder most of us. I am sure current license holders would be grandfathered, or should be anyway.
 

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XDMWarrior said:
Would my Army Weapons Qual card for the M9 and M4 be sufficient or would my POST Cert be satisfactory?
No. It has to conform to a very narrow state-mandated curriculum, and is only offered twice per year in the far corner of the state. Oh, and there must be 8 solid hours of range time spent shooting.

When you are done, you get your permit to carry only the one firearm you qualified with....
:lol: :righton:
 

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Let's get one thing straight. Two tours in Iraq(03 & 05) and one in Afghanistan(08) cost me plenty, and though it was at taxpayer expense,my family and I also paid dearly and still continue to do so. Now do you want to take your rhetoric any further? I don't know if being the new guy and willing to post my ideas has lit a fire under your butt or what, but I have no reason to further address such assinine posts. I also said that I did not think training was a bad idea. I train to live and fight another day. Without training, I would not be alive today. Having served with other people who are not weapons savvy as I am, I am glad they got some training.
No one is attempting to disrespect you or your service. Your opinion is valued here. The thing that you should understand is that no other civil right requires a permit or training in order to carry out that right. As a NRA instructor I see the value in training and encourage everyone to obtain training and participate in continuous training but to mandate training in order to exercise right I DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT..
 

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Let's get one thing straight. Two tours in Iraq(03 & 05) and one in Afghanistan(08) cost me plenty, and though it was at taxpayer expense,my family and I also paid dearly and still continue to do so. Now do you want to take your rhetoric any further? I don't know if being the new guy and willing to post my ideas has lit a fire under your butt or what, but I have no reason to further address such assinine posts. I also said that I did not think training was a bad idea. I train to live and fight another day. Without training, I would not be alive today. Having served with other people who are not weapons savvy as I am, I am glad they got some training.
No one is attempting to disrespect you or your service. Your opinion is valued here. The thing that you should understand is that no other civil right requires a permit or training in order to carry out that right. As a NRA instructor I see the value in training and encourage everyone to obtain training and participate in continuous training but to mandate training in order to exercise right I DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT..
I don't agree with it either, BUT if it gets us where we want to be then so be it. If it is a means to an end. The liberals don't give a damn but for the 1st A. They probably don't even know the other 9 inalienable rights. The mere fact that we are constantly having to fight for this right, doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy about it being a Right. I made a suggestion of training as a means to an end and some stiffs here are jumping my ass for such a thing. Oh well, I know when to shut up, and that time has come.
 

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XDMWarrior said:
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Let's get one thing straight. Two tours in Iraq(03 & 05) and one in Afghanistan(08) cost me plenty, and though it was at taxpayer expense,my family and I also paid dearly and still continue to do so. Now do you want to take your rhetoric any further? I don't know if being the new guy and willing to post my ideas has lit a fire under your butt or what, but I have no reason to further address such assinine posts. I also said that I did not think training was a bad idea. I train to live and fight another day. Without training, I would not be alive today. Having served with other people who are not weapons savvy as I am, I am glad they got some training.
No one is attempting to disrespect you or your service. Your opinion is valued here. The thing that you should understand is that no other civil right requires a permit or training in order to carry out that right. As a NRA instructor I see the value in training and encourage everyone to obtain training and participate in continuous training but to mandate training in order to exercise right I DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT..
I don't agree with it either, BUT if it gets us where we want to be then so be it. If it is a means to an end. The liberals don't give a damn but for the 1st A. They probably don't even know the other 9 inalienable rights. The mere fact that we are constantly having to fight for this right, doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy about it being a Right. I made a suggestion of training as a means to an end and some stiffs here are jumping my ass for such a thing. Oh well, I know when to shut up, and that time has come.
But training is inconsistent with the end they want. Say you want a cookie with icing. Someone offers you a banana. It's not what you want, so you complain. What is materially different about that situation and what you want?
 

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Training will not get reciprocity with SC. GA law is constructed to recognize SC's permit, the issue is SC.

The only thing mandatory training will do is reduce the number of lawful carriers in the state, not increase safety. If any statistical significant data existed showing more training equals less accidents, the Brady campaign and the NRA would be pushing that agenda together.

Another equally important question though is whether fire extinguisher training should be mandatory before one should be allowed to purchase one.

My :2cents: underinflated of course...
 

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My main objection to mandatory training is now how expensive, inconvenient, or difficult it would be now, in the near future.
My fear is that in the future when the pussification of America is farther along, and a whole generation of Amercian adults were raised by socialist sheep with a pathological fear of weapons and an unquestioned love of government and its supremacy over the people...
... THEN the standards for "training" and "testing" of gun permit holders will be racheted-up so that it would be like getting a private pilot's certificate by today's standards. Many hours of classroom time. Many hours of hands-on training with close supervision. Several thousand dollars of costs involved, and months if not years of time invested.

If mandatory training could be affordable, common-sense, practical, and quickly available for people all across the State, then that kind of training would not bother me. I'd only worry about where it might lead in the future. The "slippery slope" argument.
 

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I think we should all be able to carry wherever we feel. But, we have to wear one of these. :mrgreen:



or this...


Just so you know.....
I keed, I keed.
 

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The liberals don't give a damn but for the 1st A. They probably don't even know the other 9 inalienable rights.
Wise not to generalize. I am pretty damn liberal as GA goes and I give a great big damn about all our rights.

Also, welcome to the board and thanks for your service to our (conservatives', liberal's, and independent's alike) country.

I wondered what the "4th post" comment meant too.
 

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XDMWarrior said:
seajay said:
XDMWarrior said:
AeroShooter said:
I don't see a huge issue with getting a permit. I don't even see a huge issue with someone who has no experience being required to get at least a basic course to obtain their permit.
I would like to see your permit to post such comments. Also, please provide us with a transcript showing that you've completed satisfactory training to use words, sentences & such.
Would my Army Weapons Qual card for the M9 and M4 be sufficient or would my POST Cert be satisfactory? Permitted for 3 years now. In a perfect world, I would not want any of us to have to have a permit, but at least it separates us from the thugs in a manner of speaking. If I am not getting my point across, I think you can understand the spirit of what I am trying to say.
I think we get your point. Since you have already had training and it didn't cost you anything (since the tax payers paid for it) you think there is nothing wrong with placing an expensive requirement on everyone else in order for them to be in the same class of people that you're in.

So what kind of training would you have me take in order to excersize my Constitutional right to carry.

Would my owning my first .22 rifle at age 5 be enough? How about being on my high school high power rifle team? Or how about since I am now 57 years old and have been shooting firearms for the last 52 years be enough to qualify? If not what kind of training would you want to require me to take?
Let's get one thing straight. Two tours in Iraq(03 & 05) and one in Afghanistan(08) cost me plenty, and though it was at taxpayer expense,my family and I also paid dearly and still continue to do so. Now do you want to take your rhetoric any further? I don't know if being the new guy and willing to post my ideas has lit a fire under your butt or what, but I have no reason to further address such assinine posts. I also said that I did not think training was a bad idea. I train to live and fight another day. Without training, I would not be alive today. Having served with other people who are not weapons savvy as I am, I am glad they got some training.
And why do we need to get this straight??? Sorry I am so unimpressed. With all of your degrees I wouldn't have thought you had enough spare time on your hands to serve 3 combat tours in Alabama much less Iraq and Afganistan. This is not to belittle your's or anyone elses service. Just anyone can type anything but it doesn't make it so. As for lighting a fire under my butt. Nope... I didn't say it was a bad idea to get training either. I only asked why you would want to mandate training for everyone else while you want to get a pass on what (if any in reality) training you already have. Just because you serve(d) does not make you any more special than anyone else whither they serve or not. There are a lot of people on here that serve and have served. Not all throw it into the face of others at any given chance just to show how much better they are. Just to let you know we do have both officers, non-coms and enlisted along with retired and ETS. You are only the second person to come on here and toss your service out as if you think everyone should bow down and kiss your feet for it. You are acting as if you are the "Only One" who faught in a war on foreign soil. Sorry but I am very unimpressed with your degrees and your service. Real or not.
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Seajay have you ever been at a range and thought, " My god that idiot needs someone to teach them how to shoot and not to turn around with a weapon aimed at everyone."
No I really haven't. If I see someone at the range acting that way I will usually attempt to teach them. If they are not receptive then I leave. I never just sit back and let dangerous actions continue around me. That would make me just as big an idiot as they are.
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Let's see you are 57 and have been shooting 52 years. I should have read that first to realize just what kind of person I was responding to.
So just what kind of person am I? I only ask since you seem to have me all figured out.

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There are different classes of people and there have been since the beginning of mankind, and there always will be. If you worry about keeping up with the Jones', you will lose sight of your realistic goals. Keep your eye on the ball.
There is only one class of citizen of this country. American. I don't care what color you are or how wealthy. You are no better than anyone else. As for the rest of this thought. I don't even know why you tossed it into the mix.

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If training will loosen our rights up more, then I am all for it, but like gunsmoker implied, it ultimately will not make much difference either way. Here is food for thought. I recently took the motorcycle safety course at Robins Air base. I am 41 years old and have been riding since I was 5 years old. I didn't really think I knew it all, but I thought I knew most of it. I left that 1 day course with a lot of knowledge and techniques that could save my life or another's life at any given time. I learned some things about various manuevers to safely make split second decisions to save my life. So training does help, but like most things, it depends on attitude.
The only thing required training will do is keep more people from being able to purchase a GWL because the cost will more than double. It will not make people any safer. It hasn't been that long ago since an Afganistan vet put a bullet in his head while cleaning his firearm. He had the same training you do and still managed to off himself. The police have more ND's and "accidental" self inflicted gunshot wounds than the GWL holders do. They have had training as well.

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If training will help get us a couple more votes to freely carry as we please, then I think it is an acceptable compromise. Otherwise the training will not help detour any accidents because people like yourself with 52 years of shooting already know it all. Seajay you should take a training course at Ft Benning called Advanced Combatives. You would get your eyes opened, and they don't even use guns for the course, except to show you what a highly trained and motivated unarmed soldier can do to a terrorist with a weapon. Maybe I am wrong though, you have probably been watching the WWF for 52 years and already know how to get out of a headlock. Is Mr. Wrestling #2 your hero?
That's the key word. If this would do that then we could have, should have or would have. The problem is it wont make any difference. You will not get any more votes for and will in fact lose votes. There are a lot more votes against the traing requirement than there are for it. So it is not an acceptable compromise. I never claimed to know it all. I only asked what kind of MANDATED traing YOU would require ME to have in order to be safe with a firearm and know the laws. There are no claims made in that statement. However I do train offten. And how do you know I haven't had the training? You have no clue as to what my rank is or was if any. You have no clue as to what I do or did in the military if anything.

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I have been walking for about 39 years but that doesn't make me a marathon runner. You hvae to TRAIN for that. I have been talking for about 39 years, but I am not a public speaker, Training again. I have been learning all my life, but that doesn't make me a genius. Though, I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night. I am still in school training for more education and knowledge to make me better at my job. Training is being taken way out of context by some here.

Use "training" as a tool to get what we want. Hell any training requirement added to any current or future legislation would still not hinder most of us. I am sure current license holders would be grandfathered, or should be anyway.
Training is not being taken out of context by anyone. You are new here but this subject is not. This subject has been going on in this state a lot longer than this forum has. It has been argued in the state house and senate for at least 12 years that I have been involved with trying to change the gun laws here. You can't use training as a tool to get you anything unless it's more control over who can afford a GWL and who can't. Training is the tool that has been used by gun control advocates year after year after year. Don't be too sure about anyone being grandfathered in. Aparently you have too little experience with the political wheels and how they turn. While you may think they all turn the same direction they don't.

One more time in simple to understand language. The only thing mandated training will do is price a lot of people out of being able to obtain the permit to carry.

On a final note. I now have one person on my blocked users list. I have gone all this time and no one has managed to make that list until now.
 
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