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If it wasn't for unvaccinated innocent kids I'd be cheering Darwin on also.

Of course the other thing is that as long as it is spreading, it is mutating and there's no telling where that might lead.
 

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Of course the other thing is that as long as it is spreading, it is mutating and there's no telling where that might lead.
Maybe the Chinese already know the answer to that.
 
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Statin assistance report confirmed by a credible source.

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A team of scientists from University of California San Diego School of Medicine published findings in PLOS ONE last week, analyzing anonymized records on over 10,500 hospitalized COVID-19 patients admitted across 104 U.S. hospitals between January-September 2020 and enrolled in the American Heart Association’s COVID-19 Cardiovascular Disease (CVD) Registry.
 

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But if you decide to take it. Link below will let you find a place to personalize your brand of blue pill.

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Statin assistance report confirmed by a credible source.

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You realize statins have risks, too, right? Indeed, it is the health researchers themselves who say that statins do more harm than good unless you are at a severely increased risk of heart attack or stroke (in which case you are taking the risk to keep from saying earlier by a cardiovascular event).

Here is a plain English editorial, but you can get to the actual research easily if you are interested.

 

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I take statins. Had an MI at age 54, cholesterol at about 410, currently in the 90 range. Was in full arrest last half mile into ER ambulance bay, with wife and sister taking me. Zapped twice and 2 stents put in with angioplastys. One was 100% blocked and other at 40%.

Spent 3 days with body temp at 86 under cooling blanket to speed recovery and minimize damage.

I know all about them MI things. Quite smoking on the way in too. No more smokes after getting out at all.

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You are exactly the type of person for whom statins are well worth the risk.
 

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You realize statins have risks, too, right?
Everything has risks. Guns, cars, other genders, vaccines, and everything else.

Thats why I won't take a script until the risk has some decent testing and evaluation and are not just given out under an EUA.

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Everything has risks. Guns, cars, other genders, vaccines, and everything else.

Thats why I won't take a script until the risk has some decent testing and evaluation and are not just given out under an EUA.

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In this case the risks would far outweigh the value of statins as a treatment for covid unless there was a serious underlying condition that the statin was treating (such as yours).

Your argument is "Don't get vaccinated. Use statins instead." That is not a good argument.

Use statins if you need them for a serious problem unrelated to covid. If you do get infected with covid, having the statins treating your condition increases your chance of survival by roughly 4 in 10 (6 are still going to die). SO much for statins. As for vaccination, "only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average." While I expect that 150 to rise as the numbers of new infections keep increasing in this country, it is very doubtful that the "reward" side of the equation is going to drop so low as the protection offered by going unvaccinated but taking a statin drug.

Then on the risk side, statins risks are well known, numerous, and high frequency, but it does not matter much because you are giving it to folks like you that would probably have been long since dead and in the ground without it as treatment.

For the various vaccines, the risks are as yet very low and not even necessarily connected. The few that appear to be connected are usually transient (inflammation of the cardiovascular system) and so minor that they are treated with Advil.

So weigh out the risks and rewards for yourself.

I wonder how many of the 17.850 dead in May were anti-vaxxers posting stupid bs on the internet about the "unknown risks of the untested experimental vaccine?"

And we are not even getting into the folks who are not vaccinated, get infected, survive, but experience long term infection and complications. How many is that? 26%

That's more than one in four. (but you go ahead and tell them this is just a cold if they didn't die).

 

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I don't expect to change anyone's opinion and I do plan to continue with insulting and disparaging comments on this and other subjects.
Maintaining an adversarial position is an odd approach to civilized discourse. But if you don't care to indulge in civilized discourse then by all means don't. Just don't bitch when someone pisses in your Corn Flakes. Enjoy the ride.
 

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Certainly no more insulting than comments on this site aimed at liberals and those on the left.
Those on the left (liberals, commies, thugs, democrats, anti-Americans, whatever and whoever) hate America, hate Americans who still believe in the Founders dreams, hate white people whether dead or alive, want to eliminate white people from America (seemingly ignoring the fact that the majority of leftists are white people, how f*cking stupid is that?), want to destroy every institution that white people have created, want to turn America into a socialist utopia for everyone except white people (the former Rhodesia comes to mind and South Africa is right behind it, working out well, isn't it?), implement and enforce rules and laws on us but don't apply them to yourselves and I'm sure I could keep adding to the list but for brevity's sake I'll stop. Y'all, everyone of you, deserve all the shit that's thrown at you and more. Personally, I'm inclined to be far less cordial than just throwing shit.
 

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Do note that I was referring to those resisting the vaccine for political reasons, not because you have concerns about the safety of the vaccine.
Sorry, you don't get to weasel word yourself out of that. Those of us who prefer not to be vaxxed can refuse for any reason we want. Be it political, religious, concerned about its safety or just being stubborn and cantankerous. Your vitriol is directed at all of us. Our reasons are irrelevant. Free people should be free to accept or not accept with no government coercion or threats. Government coercion and threats should raise big red flags to anyone who's listening. Unless you assume, like your mother, your government knows what's best for you. And the government, especially this one, most definitely isn't my mother.

And, by the way, that story you referenced was pure leftist propaganda. Emotionally driven, employs a cute little kid and a public servant. A real tearjerker of the first magnitude. What's not to like? Everybody will get with the program and get the Holy Jab after reading that, right?
 

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Free people should be free to accept or not accept with no government coercion or threats.
What coercion? Coerce means to force.

Threats? Threats to do what?

Are you contending that mb90535 supports the use of force and threats to do something to you? If so, what is your evidence?
 

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And the government, especially this one, most definitely isn't my mother.
Personally I don't see it as a legitimate government. As a side note when's the last time Susan Rice has been seen or brought up in the news? Could she be to busy pulling strings on the senile one. Sorry I have no arithmetic or graphs to go with this utterly unsubstantiated borderline conspiracy theory. It is however Tuesday and we are in need of new stuff to toss about.
 

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Your argument is "Don't get vaccinated. Use statins instead."
It is not an argument I asserted. My argument is here is another factor to consider in your decision to take the jab or reject it.

Use statins if you need them for a serious problem unrelated to covid. If you do get infected with covid, having the statins treating your condition increases your chance of survival . . ..
Exactly the assertion made.

Then on the risk side, statins risks are well known, numerous, and high frequency, but it does not matter much because you are giving it to folks like you that would probably have been long since dead and in the ground without it as treatment.
Not addressed in cited comments. And if the risks were that high and other bad effect that serious, why has the FDA not withdrawn approval. Atorvastatin (FKA Lipitor) is now generic. IIRC it is name brand only for 17 years before becoming generic. I submit that is more than sufficient time for the risk/reward analysis to be deeply and thoroughly explored. Approval has not been withdrawn so the reward must sufficiently outweigh the risk.

For the various vaccines, the risks are as yet very low and not even necessarily connected. The few that appear to be connected are usually transient (inflammation of the cardiovascular system) and so minor that they are treated with Advil.
The assessed and known risks are for effects less than one year out from administration. What happens out 3 years. Does the mRNA in this configuration affect DNA in utero? What are the mRNA risks 3-5 or more years out? What are the longer term risks of any vaccine.

How long did the smallpox vaccine take to get from petri dish to syringe?

So weigh out the risks and rewards for yourself.
My argument exactly. Just providing another source for valid information for each to add to their consideration pile.

I wonder how many of the 17.850 dead in May were anti-vaxxers posting stupid bs on the internet about the "unknown risks of the untested experimental vaccine?"

And we are not even getting into the folks who are not vaccinated, get infected, survive, but experience long term infection and complications. How many is that? 26%

That's more than one in four. (but you go ahead and tell them this is just a cold if they didn't die).
I don't know and I do not wonder about that. Its irrelevant to the posting here.

I share valid, source cited information for each to evaluate and balance the risks v rewards on their own personal and family circumstances and make a valid informed decision.

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What coercion? Coerce means to force.

Threats? Threats to do what?

Are you contending that mb90535 supports the use of force and threats to do something to you? If so, what is your evidence?
What about universities that won't admit people without proof of vaccine? What about the CDC requiring cruise ships to require vaccines to travel.
 

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What coercion? Coerce means to force.

Threats? Threats to do what?
The "government" in all its various forms, media and media personalities, social platforms and especially their "influencers" and just plain old run-of-the-mill pissed off lefties, Karens and other assorted morons. All have called for force and threats of various forms to inject me with shit I want no part of and then to completely ruin my life if I continue to refuse kowtowing to their demands. And in some cases even calling for my death for telling them to go pound sand. I'm really surprised you would even ask that. Or maybe I shouldn't be. We apparently read different news articles.

Are you contending that mb90535 supports the use of force and threats to do something to you? If so, what is your evidence?
I don't know whether he actually supports the use of force and threats. However, his recent ramblings suggest to me that perhaps he may, on some level.
 

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What about universities that won't admit people without proof of vaccine?
Universities have long-standing policies requiring vaccinations that predate COVID. Participation is as voluntary as attendance.
What about the CDC requiring cruise ships to require vaccines to travel.
If this is a thing, could you please post a link to the CDC requirement?
 
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