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OK folks; check out the article in the NOV/DEC issue of AMERICAN HANDGUNNER. (at Wal-Mart for 5.37 + tax) and worth your time to read.
One of the topics discussed and covered at Front Sight in the Combat Master Course was "muzzle flash" in the "fun house" in a dark environment and the loss of your vision in the encounter.
To cut to the chase. . . train/target practice with whatever you want. . .but carry LOW MUZZEL FLASH rounds in your weapon.
Was there and saw the difference :!: "What is in my wallet :)
Federal "Personal Defense". Will not get the local DA on you about "unnecessary force". . . .whatever the hell that is :) and is baiscally a "Hydro Shock" round.
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After taking Ken's class at Firearmz I picked up a box of the Winchester Ranger 127g +p+ 9mm rounds that he recommended. They are way less expensive than the CorBon stuff I had been buying. (about $22/50 at AmmunitionToGo.com vs. $18-$20 for 20 of the CorBon DPX). A friend took his class recently and they did some night shooting and demonstrated the different muzzel flash. He said it was a significant difference. Basically the Winchester Ranger stuff is very similar to their old Black Talon ammo. Plus at that price you can shoot some of it for practice to get familiar and make sure it runs reliably in your rig without breaking the bank. I have that for 9mm and .357sig, they don't list it for 38 +p and .357mag. I am curious what you wheel gun guys carry.
 

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+1 on the Winchester +p+ 127 grain 9mm. It's very effective stuff in my experience and very low flash.
It comes in a 50 round box for the price of the other fancy 20 round boxes.

Has anybody compared the black box and red box Hornady TAP ammo?

I'm curious. The black box (civie version) in .223 doesn't have a bad muzzle flash at night.
 

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For now, Double Tap +p 124 gr low flash. $25/50 rounds. I will load up with 147gr DT +p just as soon as Midway gets some back in stock.
 

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Glock 33: Double Tap 115gr Gold Dot
Glock 32: Double Tap 125gr Gold Dot
Glock 21: Hornady TAP 200gr +p
Glock 20: Double Tap 185gr Golden Saber
GLock 19: CorBon DPX 115gr. +p
 

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Ranger SXT 155gr +P in .40.
 

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Rangers lead the way!!!!!
 

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47Cowboy said:
Federal "Personal Defense". Will not get the local DA on you about "unnecessary force". . . .whatever the hell that is :)
I do not worry a scintilla about this.
 

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47Cowboy said:
Also, Winchester did stop marketing "Black Talon" for this very same reason. . . perception by the public that is was “bad, terrible and unnecessary†and only bad people would use them . .
They still make Black Talons, they just call them SXT or Rangers now and the tips are not black. Go to AmmunitionToGo.com and order you a box of Rangers in your flavor.
 

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CorBon 135gr .40S&W

Ramm, said it best: What's in your mag is irrelevant RE the DA's case against you. You're either justified or not.

That being said, if you pack feces, or some other matter (mercury, arsenic, etc.) into the hollow points... I think you may have some issues.
 

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Go to AmmunitionToGo.com and order you a box of Rangers in your flavor.
GrimJack. You have ordered stuff from this site before?
I've ordered from them. In fact, that's where I get my SXTs.

Good folks. Good service. Good shipping. Good product.

Good overall.
 

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SamTay04 said:
Go to AmmunitionToGo.com and order you a box of Rangers in your flavor.
GrimJack. You have ordered stuff from this site before?
Yep, a couple of times. Seem to be decent, never had a problem.
 

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GrimJack said:
SamTay04 said:
Go to AmmunitionToGo.com and order you a box of Rangers in your flavor.
GrimJack. You have ordered stuff from this site before?
Yep, a couple of times. Seem to be decent, never had a problem.
I have ordered from them a couple of times as well, never had a problem either.

I also ordered some Rangers from this site, as Ammo to Go didn't have them in .45. No problems from them either.

http://www.gandrtactical.com/
 

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Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P for 9mm, Gold Dot 230gr for .45

Muzzle flash can be an issue at night, but honestly I wonder about how much of a problem this is in a self-defense circumstance. For LEOs or tactical operators it makes sense to pay a lot of attention to this. For civilians, where self-defense ranges are likely to be ten yards or less, this seems of somewhat less importance.

I guess my opinion would be to pay attention to the issue, but don't choose a less effective round just because it has less flash.
 
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