what to call these mags?

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by gunsmoker, Mar 19, 2018.

  1. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    042039DA-ECA1-47A6-8711-85617793D38F.jpeg image.jpg Are 17-round magazines for a Glock 17 "high capacity" or "standard capacity?"
    Whst about 33 rounders made for the select-fore G18 machine pistol? Are they "high" capacity in any midel Glock?

    How about a 15 round single-column mag for 1911s?

    What *is* a "standard" capacity magazine anyway?

    CDNN Sports, per this full page ad in the NRA's magazine, thinks 10 round capacity is "standard" for all moden handguns.
     
  2. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    image.jpg Historical note:

    Eugene Stoner designed the AR-10 and AR-15 rifles with 20 round magazines in mind.
    30 round mags became popular about 10 years later, during the height of the Vietnam war.

    Stoner never owned an A.R. -15 type rifle of his own. He didn't have one (or any semi auto copy) as part of his gun collection, and never shot one recreationally. His family swears that he only considered it a weapon of warfare to be sold to military agencies.

    William Ruger, founder of Sturm, Ruger & Co., never allowed his Mini-14 or Mini-30 rifles to come with a magazine above 10 rounds on the civilian market. He had 20 and later 30 round mags built, but only for long guns packaged for law enforcement or military sales. (This policy was changed by the company years after Bill's death.)

    He supported a federal ban on centerfire magazines over 15 rounds.
    http://www.firearmscoalition.org/in...blog-mainmenu-87/645-bill-rugers-magazine-ban

    So, with that in mind, what is a "standard" capacity mag for a Ruger Mini, or an AR pattern rifle?
     

  3. Wegahe

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    A standard capacity mag is one that will work in the firearm's standard receiver. It can hold any number of cartridges but must hold at least 1. You would not want to use a non standard capacity mag in a firearm because it will not fit it's standard receiver.
     
  4. jsaund22

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    I would consider any magazine in common use "standard". 20 and 30 round mags for AR style rifles. 100 round drums would be a high-capacity magazine to me. 10 round mags would be limited capacity magazines.

    But all of them are just magazines. Any attempt to define "High Capacity" or "Standard Capacity" magazines is simply the beginning of an argument for denying the citizenry access to magazines.
     
  5. Wegahe

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    What about the 40 round mags? There are thousands of those on the market as well as the 50 round drum mags for the AR style and 75 round drum for the AK style. So if it doesn't get to "high capacity" until 100 rounds in your opinion those would not be considered high capacity?

    The number of rounds that can be put in a mag has nothing to do with if it is standard capacity. A 40 round mag has a standard capacity of 40 rounds. The same applies to a 10 round mag or a 100 round mag. Their standard capacity is determined by the manufacturer not some arbitrary number pulled out of someone's hat. A high capacity mag would then be any mag that had been modified to hold more that it was originally designed for.
     
  6. jsaund22

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    No, we agree - it doesn't really matter how many rounds fit in a magazine. I was just trying to answer the question under the assumption that someone was requiring a definition.

    It's just labels, trying to make something out to be abnormal so it can be restricted.
     
  7. DonT

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    From the point of view of retail guns sales: I think a standard capacity magazine would be one that normally comes with the firearm when purchased new. 1911s almost always come with one or two 7 round or 8 round magazines. AR-15 patterned rifles almost always come with one or two 30 round magazines. Just about all .380 pocket pistols come with one or two 6 round magazines. Glocks, SIGs, Berettas, etc. all come with their standard issued magazines. (Exceptions of course: Bulgarian Arsenal SAM 7 AKs often come with only one 10 round magazine, but we would consider standard the 30 rounder. Most Ruger 10/22 rifles come with one 10 round rotary magazine, but we might consider standard the 15 or 25 rounder.)

    Extended capacity magazines (my preferred term) would generally be other magazines that are not found issued with a new firearm. They may be manufactured by the maker, ie, Glock and their 33 round 9mm mags, Ruger and their 25 round .22 LR mags for the 10/22, or manufactured by after market companies like ProMag. An extended capacity magazine might be standard if it comes from the original maker of the firearm, like the Glock 9mm 33 rounder, or it might be non standard if it is a 15 rounder for a 1911 made by ProMag.

    AR-15 patterned rifles don't often have their own manufactured magazines. Many new rifles come with a Magpul 30 round PMAG. Magpul by default and popularity among AR rifle makes, has become the standard AR magazine.
     
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  8. moe mensale

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    "Modern capacity magazine." It is whatever you desire it to be. :lol:
     
  9. Wegahe

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    Where does that leave the MMR Hunter? It is supplied with a 5 round mag. Does this make the 10 round mag high capacity when used in the MMR Hunter? I think not. The standard is and should be the capacity of the mag in it's unmodified form as of the day it is manufactured.
     
  10. johnski

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    A "standard magazine" according to the anti-2nd Amendment Socialists is defined as a flintlock musket muzzle loader that fires only 1-3 rounds a minute. Oh and you'll need to register those as well and no you can not buy powder. Ammo is kind of scarey too so your musket round lead ball ammo must be kept at your local police station under their protection. Somthing about lead and the environment. Now we'd like to show you these fabulous cattle cars and give you and your family a trip to a spa resort of sorts.
     
  11. DonT

    DonT Deplorable bitter clinger.

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    Yeah, that is one of those exceptions for the terms that I would use. I agree with you on that gun.
     
  12. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    We shouldn't have to depend on "exceptions" or anything else to exercise a right.
     
  13. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    Moe, feel free to stay on-topic in this thread.
    If you can't, go somewhere else and rant about your gun rights being infringed.
    This is a thread to discuss firearms-related terminology, and you're crapping in it.
     
  14. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    Standard capacity to me should be whatever the weapon came with from the factory, distributor, or dealer.
     
  16. MLS 4506

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    standard and high capacity are the words of politicians and gun grabbers just like assault weapon and fully semi automatic !
     
  17. phantoms

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    There is no such thing as a standard capacity mag. There are standard mags, but capacity is a term added by anti-gunners looking to further restrict your Rights.
     
  18. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    761DFA92-D9E9-4F45-946C-8FDE5E6C38F3.jpeg Really?
    Somebody ought to tell the writers at Guns & Ammo magazine that talking about ammo capacity is anti-gun propaganda.
    They apparently didnt get the memo to only use NewSpeak as approved by the Secretary of Communication.

    This article about the Browing Hi-Power pistol calls it a "large capacity" model that had the market cornered for some 40 years before other semiauto pistols using large capacity mags were developed.
     
  19. Nemo

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    So if I carry a Hi Power, that is outside the realm of reasonableness? Let me get it out of the safe!

    Nemo
     
  20. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    I am on-topic. I'm not asking you or anybody else to agree or disagree with anything I say. If you don't care for what I write then just "ignore" me. I won't lose any sleep over it. Stop being such a snot.

    And thanks for calling everyone in this thread a dumb-ass for not measuring up to your expectations. You're a class act.