We found 85,000 cops who’ve been investigated for misconduct

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  1. Wegahe

    Wegahe NRA Instructor

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    https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/n...ng-misconduct-records-police-cops/3223984002/

     
  2. Nemo

    Nemo Man of Myth and Legend

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    Not surprising at all. Not at all.

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  3. OWM

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    From the linked Article.
    Hils said. “But I believe that policemen tend to be more honest and more trustworthy than the average citizen.”
    Based on what?
     
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  4. Phil1979

    Phil1979 Member Georgia Carry

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    85,000 out of 50,000,000 isn't too bad.
     
  5. Wegahe

    Wegahe NRA Instructor

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    Really? Keep in mind 85,000 is just what they could find. The article also notes cover-ups, destroyed records and secret records.
     
  6. awanatech

    awanatech Well-Known Member

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    50,000,000??
     
  7. mrhutch

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    There are only 850,000 sworn officers in the country. 1 in 10 is a corrupt thug. Who knows how many haven't been caught.
     
  8. Wegahe

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    That's at least 1 in 10. 6 states provided zero information on any charges.
     
  9. Phil1979

    Phil1979 Member Georgia Carry

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    Hyperbolic sarcasm. We have too many police.
     
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  10. mrhutch

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    And not enough armed citizens to shoot the majority of violent offenders instead of waiting for police to respond after the fact.
     
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  11. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    The headline says 85,000 cops have been investigated or found to have abused their powers in office .
    Note the "or" in that sentence. How many of those 85,000 were investigations of a completely groundless complaint by a Citizen, usually an arrestee, or the mama or the babymomma of the arrestee?
    What percent of those 85,000 investigations lead to a finding of guilt?
     
  12. Wegahe

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    Since almost all police departments/offices or what ever the term used to describe them cover up, hide and/or flat out destroy records it's not easy to determine if any were groundless. Since they did actually find 200,000 incidents that were investigated I feel it's safe to count the 85,000 as legit abuses of the public using the badge. 110,000 IA investigations were also uncovered. If you read the whole article it opens the door to there being much more than the 85,000. How much more? 3 times as many? 4 times as many? Can't tell because covered up, hidden and/or destroyed records.
     
  13. stcxiong

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    They can lie better than average citizens
     
  14. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    That's a lot of bad apples. How many barrels is that?
     
  15. Nemo

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    Training and experience are good teachers on things like that.

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  16. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    200,000 incidents, but NOT 200,000 different cops being investigated.
    The study said that most officers have ZERO investigations under their name, but a small number of cops are magnets for trouble who get accused of wrongful conduct over and over. So, it sounds like 85,000 cops are the number of persons, and they average just under 2 complaints per person.
     
  17. HCountyGuy

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    85,000 over a 10 year period. Not exactly a condemning number. Keep in mind these were all investigations as the result of an allegation, not all of which lead to anything. Let’s look at some of the breakdown:

    So right off the bat, roughly 27% of the 85k investigations were looking at alleged excessive force. I’d be curious to know how many of those investigations came about as the result of Dindu getting his ass handed to him for trying to fight an officer and then having the gall to file a complaint over it. Or some individual disregarding a lawful order (let’s at least grant benefit of the doubt) was handcuffed “too roughly” and filed a complaint.

    Next up
    Once again, allegations. How many were pissed off females (and yes, sometimes males) who threw a rape claim out there (or Officer so-and-so said I could blow him to escape a ticket/jail) as a retaliatory measure?

    Haven’t we talked about the potential abuse of red-flag laws in a family member making stuff up so the cops will come get your guns? Same principle. A domestic violence complaint against an officer is a pretty bad egg, and I’d be willing to bet more than a few of these resulted from a bad break-up/divorce where the accuser just wanted to screw up the career of the officer.

    I'll be honest, not sure what to make of these.

    It's not unusual for a particularly proactive officer to rack up multiple complaints. That's almost a numbers game, because the more you're involved in the more you're likely to receive a complaint.

    At the end of all of this, keep in mind these were investigations as the result of an allegation which may or may not have had any merit. I'm not saying all the officers were squeaky clean, but this is an obvious hit-piece against law enforcement designed to enhance public mistrust.

    Not that this place needs any help with that...
     
  18. CoolHand

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    “At the end of all of this, keep in mind these were investigations as the result of an allegation which may or may not have had any merit. I'm not saying all the officers were squeaky clean, but this is an obvious hit-piece against law enforcement designed to enhance public mistrust.

    Not that this place needs any help with that...”

    Some of us have been around the block long enough and have seen a lot of stuff that we base our opinions on. I’ve personally dealt with multiple cases of bad eggs in law enforcement lying, stealing, harassing people, and trespassing on private property to skate from work and literally jerk off while watching porn on their agency laptops over county provided wan networks. I’ve also seen how they will all jump to defend some turd with a badge and “overlook training mistakes and errors in personal judgement” to screw over someone who’s a victim of said turd with a badge. But go ahead and blindly trust everyone with a badge. You’ll learn.
     
  19. HCountyGuy

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    I get that folks have had negative encounters with assholes power-tripping on government authority. I’ve met a few bad eggs myself (not from a police-citizen encounter). That doesn’t mean every officer out there is looking to screw over John Q Public.

    I never advocated unquestioning faith for law enforcement, but the cynicism and hostility towards LE here is part of why certain folks left and retaining new people is hard. It seems the attitude borders on Sovereign Citizen mindset on a good day.
     
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