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What did the federal government know in advance about the January 6 "insurrection," when did they know it and how far did any undercover operations go? Was the earlier plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, storm the state capitol and overthrow the state government a practice run for January 6? Supposedly, 5 of the 14 Michigan plotters were undercover agents. This is kinda long so you may want to grab a couple of 🍺.

However, the possibility that the federal government had undercover operatives or informants involved in the events of 1/6, from its planning to its execution, compels us to turn our attention to the second category of participants.

We are especially interested in the unindicted co-conspirators who belonged to any of the big three “militia groups” — the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and the Three Percenters. Indeed, it is these militia groups whose behavior, statements and planning leading up to and during 1/6 most closely align with the “violent insurrectionist” caricature we hear about in the media, and which the government claims to be going after in its aggressive prosecutions.

If it turns out that an extraordinary percentage of the members of these groups involved in planning and executing the Capitol Siege were federal informants or undercover operatives, the implications would be nothing short of staggering. This would be far worse than the already bad situation of the government knowing about the possibility of violence and doing nothing. Instead, this would imply that elements of the federal government were active instigators in the most egregious and spectacular aspects of 1/6, amounting to a monumental entrapment scheme used as a pretext to imprison otherwise harmless protestors at the Capitol — and in a much larger sense used to frame the entire MAGA movement as potential domestic terrorists.
 
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I see a pattern. Especially in high profile arrests: mid-east young men plotting mahem - plans to kidnap politicians - etc.
 

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"how far did any undercover operations go? " The correct term is agent provocateur.
 

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Special post just for MP. Another worthless Tucker Carlson article I'll force you to read. Because I'm so mean. :devilish: :ROFLMAO:

Earlier this week, we reported that, among those who stormed the Capitol on January 6th, there appear to people working for the FBI. We didn’t guess that, we concluded it based on the government's own court filings. Dozens of suspects the FBI now says committed serious crimes that day have not been charged with anything or even identified. Why is that? Likely because they were in contact with the FBI before they committed those crimes. That is the definition of corruption.
You are working for the FBI, so you’re not charged with a crime. It’s also, by the way, scary, given the current climate, given that January 6th is now being used as a pretext to strip law-abiding Americans of their most basic civil liberties. So given that, we have an absolute right to know exactly what happened that day, and the FBI’s role in it.
 

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A bit of a different take on January 6 by Glenn Greenwald. Greenwald co-founded The Intercept in 2014 but left it in 2020 after parent company editors censored an article of his that was critical of then presidential candidate Joe Biden's conduct. Who'da thought, huh?

What would be shocking and strange is not if the FBI had embedded informants and other infiltrators in the groups planning the January 6 Capitol riot. What would be shocking and strange — bizarre and inexplicable — is if the FBI did not have those groups under tight control. And yet the suggestion that FBI informants may have played some role in the planning of the January 6 riot was instantly depicted as something akin to, say, 9/11 truth theories or questions about the CIA’s role in JFK’s assassination or, until a few weeks ago, the COVID lab-leak theory: as something that, from the perspective of Respectable Serious Circles, only a barely-sane, tin-foil-hat-wearing lunatic would even entertain.
So far from being some warped conspiracy theory, that the FBI purposely targets vulnerable people and infiltrates groups in order to create attacks and direct targets to engage in them is indisputably true, well established, and a commonly reported fact in mainstream liberal media. Exactly that has been happening for decades.
 

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Regarding those so-called "unindicted co-conspirators" mentioned in the articles, this comes as a rather unsettling theory. Is it possible that Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the Oath Keepers, is really a government operative? Which means the Oath Keepers, claimed to be a far-right extremist group by the government, is actually run by the government? This is a really long article and I'm not throwing out any personal thoughts at this point. Except to say this would be an unbelievable turn of events if true.

On first glance, the reader might think we have set up something of an unfalsifiable thesis. After all, if we’re arguing that the fact Rhodes hasn’t been prosecuted points to the likelihood he is a federal operative, we can’t have it both ways. If he remains unindicted we can cite this as evidence for our thesis; and yet, we are now saying that the publication of this very piece might change the strategic dynamic such that he ends up indicted.
 

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Except to say this would be an unbelievable turn of events if true.
At this point in History nothing is unbelievable and facts alone are no longer enough to change that.
 

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GOV'T SAYS:
"Although we are aware that we possess some information that the defense may view as supportive of arguments that law enforcement authorized defendants (including Defendant) to enter the restricted grounds, e.g., images of officers hugging or fist-bumping rioters, posing for photos with rioters, and moving bike racks..."


YEP THAT LOOKS PRETTY EXCULPATORY TO ME.
 
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