VT Shooter a Chinese National on Student Visa?

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  1. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/343 ... 07.article

    April 16, 2007

    BY MICHAEL SNEED Sun-Times Columnist
    Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa.

    The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Investigators have not linked him to any terrorist groups, the source said.

    Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus’ security response, the source said.

    The exits to the buildings where the shootings occurred were chained by the shooter, the source said.

    Students complained that there were no public address announcements or other warnings on campus after the first burst of gunfire. They said the first word they received from the university was an e-mail more than two hours into the rampage — around the time the gunman struck again.

    Virginia Tech President Charles Steger said authorities believed the shooting at the dorm was a domestic dispute and mistakenly thought the gunman had fled the campus.

    ‘‘We had no reason to suspect any other incident was going to occur,’’ he said.

    He defended the university’s handling of the tragedy: ‘‘We can only make decisions based on the information you had on the time. You don’t have hours to reflect on it.’’

    Steger said the university decided to rely on e-mail and other electronic means of notifying members of the university, but with 11,000 people driving onto campus first thing in the morning, it was difficult to get the word out to everyone.

    Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum would not say how many weapons the gunman carried. But a law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the investigation was incomplete, said that the gunman had two pistols and multiple clips of ammunition.
     
  2. Malum Prohibitum

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    18 USC 922 (y)(2)

     

  3. slabertooch

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    word on the net, and the cable, is one 9mm, one .22.

    Apparently the Gov. just declared a state of emergency. :-k
     
  4. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    Illegal Gun or Illegal Gun Owner?

    So this mass-murderer may have been a foreigner on a temporary (non-resident) visa, eh? And that would make it illegal for him to buy a gun, or even possess a firearm no matter where he might acquire it.

    Hmmm... so how did he get the 2 or more guns used in this massacre?

    If he bought them from a licensed FFL dealer, I guess somebody will demand a more thorough background check process to screen out immigrants.

    If he bought them from a private seller at a gun show, expect all hell to break loose about that "gun show loophole."

    If he bought them from another private individual in a face-to-face transaction, expect Congress to introduce a law banning all private gun sales, and forcing everybddy to use an FFL dealer when transferring a gun, even wholly within the same state between residents of that state.

    If he bought them on the black market from a thug, the way a lot of criminals get their weapons... I guess this would be the least harmful to the Second Amendment. What are the gun grabbers going to propose? About the only thing that would have any impact would be a total ban on guns, period, and confiscation of all those known to exist. Will they go that far? Rosie O'Donnel and a few other bleeding-heart idiots will, but it won't get any traction I predict.

    If he stole them himself, by breaking into people's homes and cars... expect a flurry of bills regarding "safe storage" of guns.

    But no matter what, don't expect anything about immigration reform, or how gun-free school zones are really "ensure helpless victim" zones, and forget about any notion of arming teachers or school administrators, or screening young people for signs of mental illness or sociopathic attitudes... Nah, the focus will be totally on guns.

    Even though, had he walked into a crowded lecture hall, chained the doors shut behind him, dumped a 5-gallon bucket of gasoline on the floor and lit it, he could easily have accomplished the same body count (with himself among them, of course, as happened today).
     
  5. foshizzle

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    So foreign nationals just need a hunting license to buy a gun? I doubt that would be hard to get in VA.

    Time will tell... I hate to jump on the speculation wagon since I tend to get all irrational and emotional. All I know for sure is that I'm going to take the necessary steps to make sure I don't get caught defenseless and dead.

    If true it might bring more light to the immigration issue. Seems logical he used the bomb threats to test security. To take out that many people he must have had a plan... at the very least.

    Let's also keep in mind what Tim McVeigh managed to do with just fertilizer and fuel. Guns aren't really necessary for mass murder.
     
  6. Adam5

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    Re: Illegal Gun or Illegal Gun Owner?

    There are days that I wish someone would use on to shut that big mouthed, nappy headed ho's mouth.
     
  7. slabertooch

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    Headline Prime is currently talking about "Arming The General Public" in response to the time that it took for the PD to respond. Couldn't believe my ears. Both the host and the guest agreed with that stance.
     
  8. ptsmith24

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    I'm watching too. I was about to post about it.
     
  10. slabertooch

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    one 9mm and a .22 pistol as reported just a minute ago on CNN Headline Prime.
     
  11. ptsmith24

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    crazy since there was so many people killed.... seems like he either had more than that or there was more than one person, ya know?
     
  12. viper32cm

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    Hrm, suprise, suprise, a gun law didn't keep this from happening.

    Interesting time lie ahead, my friends, unfortunately.
     
  13. slabertooch

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    I wouldn't be surprised if we got sold out for a "Iraq Spending" bill. Guaranteed that there is some bill wrangling going on in DC now. Gun control in exchange for War Money.
     
  14. slabertooch

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    Something isn't making any sense.

    Police say that the first shooting took place at 7:15 when a man got into a domestic argument with his girlfriend, shooting both her and a RA.

    Two hours later a asian looking man started shooting in Norris Hall, but witness's say that he was originaly looking for his girlfriend.

    If this was the same guy... why is he looking for his dead girlfriend in a german class? two hours later.
     
  15. ptsmith24

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    that two-timin' SOB
     
  16. foshizzle

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    Yeah, I'm sure the Republicans will sell out the last remaining shred of a base they have to get an unpopular war spending bill passed. It'll get swept under the rug... blamed on the cops, illegal aliens and whatnot. It will happen again under Clinton II and it's up for debate whether Americans will react emotionally or logically. The main complaint seems to be against the university policies and the cops. Right where it should be.
     
  17. jgullock

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    Re: Illegal Gun or Illegal Gun Owner?

    I'll bet she's been hanging upside down all night.
     
  18. Doc Holliday

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    Here is more info on the shooter.

    Va. Tech gunman writings raised concerns
    By ADAM GELLER, AP National Writer 25 minutes ago

    BLACKSBURG, Va. - The gunman suspected of carrying out the Virginia Tech massacre that left 33 people dead was identified Tuesday as an English major whose creative writing was so disturbing that he was referred to the school's counseling service.

    News reports also said that he may have been taking medication for depression, that he was becoming increasingly violent and erratic, and that he left a note in his dorm in which he railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.

    Cho Seung-Hui, a 23-year-old senior, arrived in the United States as boy from

    South Korea in 1992 and was raised in suburban Washington, D.C., officials said. He was living on campus in a different dorm from the one where Monday's bloodbath began.

    Police and university officials offered no clues as to exactly what set him off on the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history.

    "He was a loner, and we're having difficulty finding information about him," school spokesman Larry Hincker said.

    Professor Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of the university's English department, said she did not personally know the gunman. But she said she spoke with Lucinda Roy, the department's director of creative writing, who had Cho in one of her classes and described him as "troubled."

    "There was some concern about him," Rude said. "Sometimes, in creative writing, people reveal things and you never know if it's creative or if they're describing things, if they're imagining things or just how real it might be. But we're all alert to not ignore things like this."

    She said Cho was referred to the counseling service, but she said she did not know when, or what the outcome was. Rude refused to release any of his writings or his grades, citing privacy laws.

    The Chicago Tribune reported on its Web site that he left a note in his dorm room that included a rambling list of grievances. Citing unidentified sources, the Tribune said he had recently shown troubling signs, including setting a fire in a dorm room and stalking some women.

    ABC, citing law enforcement sources, reported that the note, several pages long, explains Cho's actions and says, "You caused me to do this."

    Investigators believe Cho at some point had been taking medication for depression, the Tribune reported.

    The rampage consisted of two attacks, more than two hours apart — first at a dormitory, where two people were killed, then inside a classroom building, where 31 people, including Cho, died after being locked inside, Virginia State Police said. Cho committed suicide; two guns were found in the classroom building.

    One law enforcement official said Cho's backpack contained a receipt for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol. Cho held a green card, meaning he was a legal, permanent resident, federal officials said. That meant he was eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of a felony.

    Investigators stopped short of saying Cho carried out both attacks. But ballistics tests show one gun was used in both, Virginia State Police said.

    And two law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced, said Cho's fingerprints were found on both guns. The serial numbers on the two weapons had been filed off, the officials said.

    Col. Steve Flaherty, superintendent of the Virginia State Police, said it was reasonable to assume that Cho was the shooter in both attacks but that the link was not yet definitive. "There's no evidence of any accomplice at either event, but we're exploring the possibility," he said.

    Officials said Cho graduated from a public high school in Chantilly, Va., in 2003. His family lived in an off-white, two-story townhouse in Centreville, Va.

    "He was very quiet, always by himself," neighbor Abdul Shash said. Shash said Cho spent a lot of his free time playing basketball and would not respond if someone greeted him. He described the family as quiet.

    Virginia Tech Police issued a speeding ticket to Cho on April 7 for going 44 mph in a 25 mph zone, and he had a court date set for May 23.

    South Korea expressed its condolences, and said it hoped that the tragedy would not "stir up racial prejudice or confrontation."

    "We are in shock beyond description," said Cho Byung-se, a Foreign Ministry official handling North American affairs.

    A memorial service was planned for the victims Tuesday afternoon at the university, and

    President Bush planned to attend. Gov. Tim Kaine was flying back to Virginia from Tokyo for the gathering.

    Classes were canceled for the rest of the week.

    Many students were leaving town quickly, lugging pillows, sleeping bags and backpacks down the sidewalks.

    Jessie Ferguson, 19, a freshman from Arlington, left Newman Hall and headed for her car with tears streaming down her red cheeks.

    "I'm still kind of shaky," she said. "I had to pump myself up just to kind of come out of the building. I was going to come out, but it took a little bit of 'OK, it's going to be all right. There's lots of cops around.'"

    Although she wanted to be with friends, she wanted her family more. "I just don't want to be on campus," she said.

    The first deadly attack was at the dormitory around 7:15 a.m., but some students said they didn't get their first warning about a danger on campus until two hours later, in an e-mail at 9:26 a.m., around the time the second attack began.

    Two students told NBC's "Today" show they were unaware of the dorm shooting when they walked into Norris Hall for a German class where the gunman later opened fire.

    The victims in Norris Hall were found in four classrooms and a stairwell, Flaherty said. Cho was found dead in one of those classrooms, he said.

    Derek O'Dell, his arm in a cast after being shot, described a shooter who fired away in "eerily silence" with "no specific target — just taking out anybody he could."

    After the gunman left the room, students could hear him shooting other people down the hall. O'Dell said he and other students barricaded the door so the shooter couldn't get back in — though he later tried.

    "After he couldn't get the door open he tried shooting it open ... but the gunshots were blunted by the door," O'Dell said.

    Virginia Tech President Charles Steger emphasized that the university closed off the dorm after the first attack. He said that before the e-mail was sent, the university began telephoning resident advisers in the dorms and sent people to knock on doors to warn them.

    "We can only make decisions based on the information you had at the time. You don't have hours to reflect on it," Steger said.

    Until Monday, the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history was in Killeen, Texas, in 1991, when George Hennard plowed his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death, then himself.

    Previously, the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history was a rampage that took place in 1966 at the University of Texas at Austin, where Charles Whitman climbed the clock tower and opened fire with a rifle from the 28th-floor observation deck. He killed 16 people before he was shot to death by police.

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  19. viper32cm

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    Coming from another, somewhat similar engineering school, something about this doesn't suprise me.

    Young man in a liberal arts program at a major engineering school - takes lots of crap for being a fake major
    Most likely single and had been that way for a long time, and discovered that his prospects weren't going to be any better in college despite hope to the contrary.
    Perhaps a stuidious person who takes pride in his work
    A social system which awards stupidity and indiscretion over the stated goals of the institution
    Depression
    Perhaps no real social outlet at a school that doesn't really value such things

    Add those up, even if some of them don't apply specifically in this case, and you've got yourself a problem. Granted I don't know VT near as well as I know GT and I'm making some assumptions but I've discovered that schools with large percentages of engineering students aren't all the different.

    I say this, not to justify his actions, obviously what he did was beyond the pale. However, we'd get more headway trying to help folks like this kid instead of banning guns or throwing more money at police forces which have already proven themselves ineffectual at stopping one shooter.

    Honestly it kind of freaks me out that my initial thoughts concerning the shooter from yesterday were this close to reality.