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And yet I feel obliged to withhold my approval of the plan as proposed by this bill, to indulge a benevolent and charitable sentiment through the appropriation of public funds for that purpose.

I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and duty of the general government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit. A prevalent tendency to disregard the limited mission of this power and duty should, I think, be steadfastly resisted, to the end that the lesson should be constantly enforced that, though the people support the government, the government should not support the people.

The friendliness and charity of our countrymen can always be relied upon to relieve their fellow citizens in misfortune. This has been repeatedly and quite lately demonstrated. Federal aid in such cases encourages the expectation of paternal care on the part of the government and weakens the sturdiness of our national character, while it prevents the indulgence among our people of that kindly sentiment and conduct which strengthens the bonds of a common brotherhood.
https://mises.org/library/veto-texas-seed-bill

Next time you hear somebody spouting off that the goverment needs to give money to someone, just remember that we once had a President who said this and meant it.

With 750 vetoes I imagine this is exactly the kind of President Gary Johnson would have been. He would have vetoed all their crap and their crazy spending bills, cut taxes and spending. Dismantling dozens of useless and unconstitutional bureaucracies. It would have been glorious.

If only I knew how Republicans got so statist and so into welfare and social programs.
 

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A very interesting part of the section cited above. Talk about buying votes.

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It is here suggested that the Commissioner of Agriculture is annually directed to expend a large sum of money for the purchase, propagation, and distribution of seeds and other things of this description, two-thirds of which are, upon the request of senators, representatives, and delegates in Congress, supplied to them for distribution among their constituents.
 

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With 750 vetoes I imagine this is exactly the kind of President Gary Johnson would have been.
Me, too.

Unfortunately, with women having the vote, libertarian arguments are losers among the voting populace. They are not even really up for debate in any meaningful sense of the word. They are reserved for watching John Stossel and fringe men posting on the internet (yes, I realize that includes me).
 

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A very interesting part of the section cited above. Talk about buying votes.

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I was in Chicago for work last week. The talk radio and ads there are completely the polar opposite of here. All far, far left. Even the ads for Republicans brag about how far left the Republican candidate is. It was pretty amazing. Anyway. one particular add for state legislator (I can't remember if it was Indiana or Illinois) bragged at length about all the state spending he brought home into his district in that state. It went on and on . . . as if the entire purpose of electing a state representative is to rob your neighbors and get the money spend near you.
 

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I was in Chicago for work last week. The talk radio and ads there are completely the polar opposite of here. All far, far left. Even the ads for Republicans brag about how far left the Republican candidate is. It was pretty amazing. Anyway. one particular add for state legislator (I can't remember if it was Indiana or Illinois) bragged at length about all the state spending he brought home into his district in that state. It went on and on . . . as if the entire purpose of electing a state representative is to rob your neighbors and get the money spend near you.
My Mother lives up in Alaska. A number of years back, I was visiting about the time Ted Stevens was running for re-election for the 121st time. His ads also pushed the agenda of "for Alaska", which *would* and *should* be a valid reason, but a most of the talking points were about his strong record of bringing taxes "back" to Alaska (which is a misnomer when the tax revenue is #47 out of 50 states) and the numerous bills he pushed that would fund projects in Alaska. So...both parties are guilty.
 

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Oh, in case I was not clear, it was a Republican legislator's ad.
 

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Me, too.

Unfortunately, with women having the vote, libertarian arguments are losers among the voting populace. They are not even really up for debate in any meaningful sense of the word. They are reserved for watching John Stossel and fringe men posting on the internet (yes, I realize that includes me).
There are more women in the liberty movement than ever, things can change
 

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Unfortunately, with women having the vote, libertarian arguments are losers among the voting populace.
Excuse me? Why do you place this problem at women's feet? This is a gun forum and we cannot convince the majority of males to vote libertarian.
 

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Excuse me? Why do you place this problem at women's feet? This is a gun forum and we cannot convince the majority of males to vote libertarian.
Yep, very true
 

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For those of you who do not believe that there are women in the Freedom Movement, if you have Facebook, go into the group's Gary Johnson for president, or Gary Johnson dank memes, and just take a look around at the postings in the comments, a very large section of them are women.

Same thing for anarchist as well.

Men are big statist too.
 
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