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The GFL needs to have the probate court seal on it.If the GFL doesn't have the seal then the GFL isn't valid.Or do you mean that if the police ask for your GFL to see if it belongs to you. All you need is your drives license or some kind of photo ID and GFL when carrying thats what most cops are looking for plus thier looking at when is the GFL will expire.
 

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Why would you be checking someone else's GFL? Or do you mean to verify the status of your own?

For any purpose I can think of, I'd just look at the card closely. Is it laminated? Does it have the correct data (name, address, physical description of the holder) on it? Is there an expiration date that hasn't passed yet? As the poster above suggested, look for the seal of the probate court (althugh mine has a blue ink stamp, not a raised seal). Also make sure that 16-11-127 is reprinted on the back.

If it looks genuine and doesn't look expired or forged or counterfeit, I'd assume that the holder has a "valid" GFL and treat him / her accordingly.
 

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I could see someone wanting to verify a GFL for a private firearms sale. Just to be sure your not selling to someone who can not legally possess a firearm.
 

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I want to verify for a sale.

I had a drink last night with a friend who is a Roswell Cop. I asked him about it and his response kind of surprised me. He said they don't have connection to a database to verify if a permit is valid or not. He said he's seen two permits ever and couldn't tell me what it is supposed to look like if he had to. YIKES!! He said if he's presented a permit he assumes it's real and valid.
 

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GAGunOwner said:
This story reminds me of a story of my own....I've got a buddy who is a DeKalb County deputy and we got to talking about carrying guns. He told me to "Be careful because Georgia's law is tricky, something to do with public gatherings."
Not surprising that you would know more than the officer.
 

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GAGunOwner said:
I've often thought it weird that there is no database (that I know of) to verify the validity of the GFL. I guess the police officer would have to call the probate court in the county that it was issued in to verify? That could be hard at 3AM or on a weekend/holiday I would think.
You are correct. There is no provision for a state wide GFL holder database. The only verification is for the police to call the county probate court to verify. Which is also why there are no concrete numbers as to how many CCW holders there are in GA.

I think the reason the law has not changed to keep a state wide database is that it is just not a problem. I can think of at least 2 reasons why it is not a problem.
1. GFL holders (and CCL in general) are statistically less prone to committing felonies and other crimes than the general population. It is even rarer for us to committ an illegal act with that firearm. Add to that the fact that we try to be alert to our surroundings so that we are not victims. Now if we commit less crimes and are victims of crime less often than the general public, there are going to be very few GFL's a LEO will inspect in the course of there duty.
2. The GFL law only has one action in mind, carrying a firearm. A drivers license is used for many more actions other than driving (which is why there are security features on our DL, so that inexperienced sales people can verify age,... etc). While the GFL can be used as an exemption to NICS, that is a bonus that the feds have added to the GFL because GA law meets the requirements. Similar to how doormen at bars can tell a fake ID better than some LEOs, I would bet that gun dealers would be far better at spotting a fake GFL than most LEOs.
 

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Gunstar1 said:
Similar to how doormen at bars can tell a fake ID better than some LEOs, I would bet that gun dealers would be far better at spotting a fake GFL than most LEOs.
I have to agree with GaGunowner. It would take me about 2 hours with a good scanner, Photoshop, and a laminator and I could turn those things out by the bucket load and no one would be able to tell the difference without cutting the lamination open. Not that I'm compaining mind you - I don't see the need for a database and I don't see any special need to have the "security" for the cards tightened. Just adds to my opinion that the GLF is nothing more than a "feel good" item for the antis.
 

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I would consider LEO's reading this site an awesome idea! I wish they would be more vocal. Most I have talked to have been very supportive to citizens carrying.

I also find it intersting and disturbing how a few have actually told me most "cops" are completely clueless to this "GFL thing"!
 

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I have to agree with GaGunowner. It would take me about 2 hours with a good scanner, Photoshop, and a laminator and I could turn those things out by the bucket load and no one would be able to tell the difference without cutting the lamination open. Not that I'm compaining mind you - I don't see the need for a database and I don't see any special need to have the "security" for the cards tightened. Just adds to my opinion that the GLF is nothing more than a "feel good" item for the antis.
I thought the same thing when I first saw one. I'm surprised a bunch of thugs haven't thought of this and tried making their own to try and pull a fast one or two on the police. The reason I know they haven't is because the AJC hasn't plastered that story all over the news.
 

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Malum Prohibitum said:
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Not surprising that you would know more than the officer.
I have been shocked at how many police officers know about, and read, this site, so perhaps that might be changing . . .
Interesting. Sounds like a step in the right direction.
 

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I tend to think that it's a move tward less gun control. It's bad enough that they already have a list with all the registered gun owners. Reminds me of the movie Red Dawn made several years ago.
 

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Gunstar1 said:
Similar to how doormen at bars can tell a fake ID better than some LEOs, I would bet that gun dealers would be far better at spotting a fake GFL than most LEOs.
I have to agree with GaGunowner. It would take me about 2 hours with a good scanner, Photoshop, and a laminator and I could turn those things out by the bucket load and no one would be able to tell the difference without cutting the lamination open. Not that I'm compaining mind you - I don't see the need for a database and I don't see any special need to have the "security" for the cards tightened. Just adds to my opinion that the GLF is nothing more than a "feel good" item for the antis.
So if you purchased a fake permit for someone, would that be considered a straw purchase? Don't let mayor Dumb, Dumb Bloomberg know this or he will start an investigation with his secret police in Ga. :-k :-k
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