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The state of Virginia has a very clear anti-paramilitary law—all paramilitary activity that includes teaching, demonstrating, or assembling one or more people for the purpose of training with firearms is explicitly prohibited—but laws are only as strong as a local law enforcement’s appetite for enforcing them. In a county like Bedford, what incentive does the locally elected sheriff have to enforce such laws when he knows that enough people in his community support the militia? “You just might as well resign now because you’re not going to get reelected,” McCord says.​

 

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The protest, which was organized by the extremist gun rights group the Virginia Citizens Defense League, was directly responsible for kickstarting the state’s budding militia revival. Philip Van Cleave, the president of the VCDL, emceed the rally and introduced a slew of speakers who railed against the state’s newly elected Democratic majority. They warned protesters that the Democrats would soon be coming for their guns and that the crowd had better be prepared to defend their civil liberties—by any means necessary.
 

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Sounds right to me...
 

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Someone gave that author bad info. No street taking, no armed standoff, no reeling back then or still. If it had happened I would have seen and heard it as it happened. Possibly 3 rocks were thrown breaking a window or 2 in the restaurant. No rounds were fired.

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From the citation above.
Just as many other militias took to the streets opposite Black Lives Matter protests, so did the Bedford Militia, in an armed standoff that led to a riot in Lynchburg that the community is still reeling from.
 

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Had there been chargeable criminal activity charges would have been brought.

Note who was charged and for what.

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In June 2021, 24-year-old Edwin Kyle Demerly pleaded guilty to starting the Fifth and Federal riot by setting off fireworks, launching the peaceful demonstration into a violent frenzy. But in addressing the court during his sentencing, Demerly said the riot was aggravated by the militia members and their aggression against minority groups. No charges were ever brought against any of the armed militia members who attended the protest.


Note person who was throwing explosives.
 

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This part is accurate. But note the tone and tenor of the discussion and the subject of it.

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On January 20, tens of thousands of fellow gun advocates gathered in front of the state Capitol. The protest, which was organized by the extremist gun rights group the Virginia Citizens Defense League, was directly responsible for kickstarting the state’s budding militia revival. Philip Van Cleave, the president of the VCDL, emceed the rally and introduced a slew of speakers who railed against the state’s newly elected Democratic majority.
 

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Not really accurate. Anytime someone (in the micro-minority) wanted to speak at a county meeting they were encouraged, and generally advanced on the schedule.

Also, VCDL had been around alot longer than the things this article discusses and our first major success was getting the Legislature to turn VA from a may issue on petition to the Judge of the Circuit Court to a shall issue state back in (IIRC) 2004.

As far as vast network of supporters goes, its more like near 50 thousand dues paying members and another 25-40K non-members on our email lists. I post those here and occasionally get comments on them. Seems some here like the info they contain. Some do not but no one can please everyone.

At many local group gatherings for about whatever reason we can get someone to for a couple hours we have recruiting table.

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quotes from mother jones article cited above.

Ever since the Democratic majority took hold in Virginia, the VCDL has been instrumental in organizing coalitions not just to block gun control legislation but to support pro–Second Amendment measures like Bedford’s militia resolution in counties and municipalities across the state. When a county like Bedford mulls recognizing the local militia, the VCDL, through its vast network of supporters, will flood county hearings, essentially crowding anyone who wants to voice their opposition, which is exactly what happened to one person in Lynchburg whom I spoke with on the condition of anonymity.

And wedged between a jewelry tent and the barbecue station was a tent where the VCDL had a table filled with guns and literature about its organization and how people can get involved to help fight the Democrats’ tyranny.
 

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They really want to make VCDL famous. If you guys get a little more orgainzed and visible you might get noticed by mother jones. And if they want to get political we are fully game to join.

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December 2, 2020
A More Extreme Gun Rights Movement Is Emerging in the NRA’s Wake
Meet the right-wing gun groups eager to take its place.

On a frigid Martin Luther King Jr. Day earlier this year, Philip Van Cleave brought out the big guns to Richmond. As he stood on the steps of the Virginia State Capitol, Van Cleave—a 68-year-old balding and mustachioed software programmer—delivered a stern warning to the Democrats who had recently gained control of the state government: “We’re here today to remind Governor [Ralph] Northam and the general assembly that the last election was not a referendum on gun control.”

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The state of Virginia has a very clear anti-paramilitary law—all paramilitary activity that includes teaching, demonstrating, or assembling one or more people for the purpose of training with firearms is explicitly prohibited—but laws are only as strong as a local law enforcement’s appetite for enforcing them.​


There is strong arguments that about any organized shooting competition could qualify under that statute
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Imagine a Single Action Shooting Society match being considered paramilitary training. Rifle, shotgun and 2 single action handguns in each scenario and several to numerous scenarios per match or trainign session.

Include any range having an IDPA or IPSIC competition. Surely those would be paramilitary training.

You guys best watch out down there. If you take a friend to the range you could soon be considered engaged in paramilitary training.

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Literally says: "No body of men . . . shall associate themselves together. . . as a military unit or parade or demonstrate in public with firearms."

"Any person who actively participates in an unauthorized military organization or who parades with any unauthorized body of men as set forth in subsection (a) of this Code section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor."
 

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"No political subdivision of this state shall raise or appropriate any money toward arming, equipping, uniforming, or in any other way supporting, sustaining, or providing drill rooms or armories for any such unauthorized organizations."
 

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It says that law was from 2019. Was this in response to a organization of people who want to march armed in a parade a few years back?

Also, this quietly snuck right by us as I never heard mention of it.
 

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So what this means is that at least in VA, the 2nd amendment is just something to bicker over. Surely the founders knew that it was needless to include that in the Bill of Rights right?
 

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It says that law was from 2019. Was this in response to a organization of people who want to march armed in a parade a few years back?

Also, this quietly snuck right by us as I never heard mention of it.
That Code Section has not been updated since 1955.
 

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Mother Jones article noted above had resulted in litigation from VCDL.

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Virginia Citizens Defense League
Defending Your Right to Defend Yourself

VA-ALERT

Back on June 9, a VA-ALERT item talked about how the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence (CSGV) libeled VCDL and its members by saying VCDL is a “Domestic Terror Organization” in a press release. That press release was published in the media, spreading that defamation.
From the CSGV press release:
“Virginia cannot afford to elect Glenn Youngkin and his outdated and harmful stance on gun violence. His willingness to say anything for a vote is deeply troubling, as we’ve already seen him cozying up to those with deep ties to those at the forefront of the insurrectionist movement, like Senator Amanda Chase and the domestic terror organization, the Virginia Citizens Defense League.”
Here is the FBI’s definition of a “domestic terror organization:”
“Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.” (Terrorism | Federal Bureau of Investigation)
VCDL has never even been accused of being involved with or committing any kind of violence, much less a violent criminal act.
VCDL is suing CSGV for libel and Mr. Joel Kanter, the Chairman of the Board of CSGV, has been served the papers. We await CSGV’s initial response, which is due by September 18. Once we have the response, we will update you again.

Here is a copy of VCDL’s complaint:
V I R G I N I A :
IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF FAIRFAX COUNTY
(Civil Division)

VIRGINIA CITIZENS DEFENSE LEAGUE,
Plaintiff,
v.
Case No. CL-2021-_
THE COALITION TO STOP GUN VIOLENCE,
Defendant.
Serve: Joel Kanter, Registered Agent
925 H Street, N.W., #1106
Washington, D.C. 20001
 
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