VA introduces bill to offer Gadsden Flag license plates

Discussion in 'Off-topic Political' started by BirdMan, Nov 22, 2010.

  1. BirdMan

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    Sweet. Although, I suspect that will make traffic stops more problematic for some people who carry.
     
  2. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    I wouldn't get it... like you said in the OP, it could be problematic with a few LEO. Especially, if a few have been told or trained that only armed and dangerous psychopathic LEO hating murderers have things like this on their car.

    Its a shame that we live in an America where freedom of speech is being chilled by some of these left-wing organization that are feeding their junk to a few LEO.

    Sweet license plate, though! Just wish freedom of speech wasn't being chilled.
     

  3. rmodel65

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    so what do we have to go to get this in GA??? be nice if it was a cycle plate :righton:
     
  4. drtybykr

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    I would definatley get one if they were offered in Ga. regardless of any backlash, or profiling involved.
     
  5. 1str8shot

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    thats awesome. though i suspect that some retard police officer will give someone a hard time about it though.
     
  6. BirdMan

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    I have an aluminum 'license-plate' sized Gadsden flag on my front bumper, so it's not as obvious in a traffic stop (provided the LEO parks behind me). Added benefit, it doesn't have any other writing on it, besides the 'Don't Tread on Me'. This is the second I've owned (from eBay). BTW: I accidentally wiped the yellow paint off of the first one when I was cleaning it with 409, so when I got the second one, I first sprayed it with clear coat before I mounted it.
     
  7. GAGunOwner

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    There is a Metro-Atlanta LEO here in GA that has one of these on the front of his personal vehicle.

    Not a VA tag, but the yellow Gadsden flag.
     
  8. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    I know a Covington LEO that flies a Gadsden outside of his house, everyday! :mrgreen: :righton:
     
  9. legacy38

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    You guys crack me up. I doubt a double digit percentage of the population would even know the history of the flag.

    By y'all's logic, the fans of a particular professional sports team are targeted by the police whenever they wore team clothing or have anything team related on their cars...
     
  10. Savvy Jack

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    Here is mine...but I'd take the Gadsden Flag and deal with the bad cops. I have nothing but time unlike some of you cowards! :mrgreen:
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  11. Ashe

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    I remember reading a bulletin on the board at the local Sheriffs office that listed atlanta area gangs and the identifying clothing they wore (all professional sports teams IIRC), I can't find the actual memo online, but I did find a related link.
    http://www.corrections.com/tracy_barnhart/?p=552

    Personally however, I can't believe any of our nations fine LEO's would profile someone just because of a Sticker on their car, or they wore a certain type of clothing.
     
  12. vr6glidriver

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    Let's get a petition going for these in Georgia - I'd be in!
     
  13. legacy38

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    Wrong rabbit trail...
     
  14. Owl

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    I wonder if someday Georgians will sit around and say "Oh, that's a nice American flag pin you have there, but I wouldn't wear it...just gonna cause you trouble..."


    Do you know what I think it does when you say "Oh, that would cause trouble. I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't put use that decal. I wouldn't wear that on a shirt. Someone might be offended. The police or the government might give me a hard time. I don't want any trouble, so I can't be seen with that on my car." I think it makes all that chest-thumping, bull-horn sounding, trash talkin', high and mighty patriotic lip-service some folks give seem alot like just so much BULL**$#.

    How can anyone preach liberty and think like that? How can people say what a patriot they are and how much they love their liberty and think - and act like that? Like cowards? Let me share something with you guys.... I'm talking to myself here too because I feel bad because I don't open carry more - not because I'm afraid to do it, but because I don't want the hassle of possibly being harassed about it and carrying around a *$&# tape recorder or worrying about what I say if I'm confronted over it. ( if you know me, you know I'd probably have waaaay too much to say....:) )

    To me, having to deal with that is similar to the way I feel when I see all the signs in every store I go in in spanish. Why should I have to do that in my own country - in the USA, no less? So, I don't OC all the time because of that and I admit that. But you'll excuse me if that's a decision as to whether or not to walk around with a "scary black gun" (G27) on my hip......when some of you guys wrestle with that same dilemma over a license plate or decal!!!!??? Give me a freaking break!

    This is the last thread I read without saying something and DOING something about my own lack of good judgement. Consequence or not I'm open carrying now whenever I can. This thread and the responses I see over and over again on other threads like it by way too many GPDO'rs has convinced me we Americans are losing our backbone. If you fancy yourself some sort of "rebel" and you're going to "go gray" or lay low until the SHTF - then what good are you to anyone right now when something can be done about our liberty that does NOT involve violence? It's a joke! You can't wear this or say that or put a Gadsden decal (or a GCO decal) on your truck because you're what.....AFRAID? Afraid you'll be stopped? Afraid someone will break into your car? Afraid you'll be singled out? Afraid you might have to stand up for your own liberty in person, and not just with lip-service on an internet forum? Then cower in fear and let the government tell you what YOU can wear. Let them tell you what you can put on your car. Let them tell you how you should act and what you should say or do! Let your fear of this or that keep you from making a statement - however small - about your belief in your Right to Bear Arms or in the Constitution. Let fear shut you up - the fear of being labeled, or just the fear of being hassled. But not me. Not anymore. Never again. I've had it with fear. I've had it with worrying. I've had it with this feeling that I'm not free and I'm going to do something about it starting right now. I will not be afraid in the United States of America to fly whatever flag I choose to fly, wear whatever symbol I choose to wear, and speak my mind on whatever subject I please...because when I got up this morning and checked, there was still a few strands of Constitutional fabric left in this Republic and tonight I can tell you honestly that I am sick and tired of seeing ALL OF US look the other way as the last strands that are there are strained to the breaking point!

    You want to make a difference in your children's lives? Then stop being afraid of everything, stop talking about loving your Rights yet acting as if you can't exercise them! Stop acting like you have to be "careful" or the jack booted thugs will come and take you away - because you know what happens if you don't stop doing those things and get some backbone? All of that and then some. You may think you're making it better for yourself - and maybe you are....you don't have to be hassled by the man and you don't worry about someone at work seeing your patriotic decal. But to what end? What is your freedom really worth to you? There was a time in this country when you could put a sticker on your truck or car that said what you thought - and oddly enough for the socailist liberals that time has never come by the looks of their vulgar and nasty decals on their vulgar and nasty little hybrids - but for patriotic Americans - we have to be "careful?" Are you hearing yourselves? You may be...and you may be ok with that choice, but brother let me tell you that not making a stand now is going to bite you in the *$& later on, and your kids too.

    So here's the deal: you get ticked at me if you want, but before you do - you take a good long look in the mirror as I've done tonight and you ask yourself this:
    Who owns me?
    When did I trade my Freedom for a worthless FALSE security?
    Why do I say I will stand up for liberty when the time comes, yet I cower in fear or apathy NOW, when it would be so easy to STAND UP AND FIGHT a political, social, mental, moral and far less bloody battle?
    How am I making anything BETTER by making sure that nothing I say, do, wear or stand up for causes any even the smallest ripple in a lake that's already got 20 foot whitecaps?

    And how do I expect to do what is necessary and right in the eyes of God, my fellow Georgians and my Countrymen should the time come that I am needed in a most desperate way, if I cannot be bothered to do what is right today?

    Whether you like it or not, we are all in this together and the longer we pretend it isn't happening; the longer we can shout "LIBERTY!" from our hiding spot under the hypothetical cellar door, the longer we just want to "avoid trouble" or "stay off the radar" the WORSE it is going to be for future generations. You aren't avoiding trouble... LOOK AROUND YOU - Trouble is already here! The way to make America great again is by standing up NOW and being counted as one who will not give in to the evil we are facing. It's a much safer way and a much smarter way and it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative that some of you seem to be so happy to wait on. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd much rather make a stand over my Gadsden decal now, than over anything that resembles a more tangible problem later on! If you have some great fantasy about pretending to be the "Wolverines" you'd better get your head on straight.

    If they come in the night and take me away then so be it. But by God I am not going to live in fear or under a sense of selfishness where I can't be bothered to make a stand anymore, because liberty and history may ask me to pay some small price for our freedom. And if that price is being asked a few more questions by an Officer, or thought of as a kook by neighbors that don't know me, or listed by the "Socialist Party" as someone to watch out for because he has a Gadsden decal on his truck - then it's a small price to pay to say that when liberty called, I didn't cower in fear or decide that I was too busy to be bothered by the Cause!

    It's a small price to pay, whatever it is.....to say that when liberty called I answered.

    And you can tell YOUR kids I did it, and hopefully that YOU did it too...because I don't have kids and never will. But I can't just listen to this BS day in and day out and not say something about it, if for nothing else that for the sake of your kids and grandkids. We can't keep going down this road where we are afraid to say that something is wrong with our government - where we are afraid to put a decal on our truck or car that says we are patriots or Constitutionalists or even conservatives. The socialists would have been the first to tell you 3 or 4 years ago that "Dissent is patriotic!" - and in an ironic twist, 3 or 4 years later they could not be more right! But dissent and courage in the face of evil is nothing more than a smoke-screen or an illusion if we are too busy "playing it safe" to bother with sticking our necks out a little in order to stand up for what's right!

    So, no more fear. No more selfish, apathetic, just-don't-want-to-be-hassled attitude for me. And I sure as HELL am not going to let someone tell me that I can't fly my 3 X 5 Gadsden or Culpeper or whatever other flag I choose to fly in the back of my Ford Pick-Up truck because it might cause some unwanted "attention." I'm sick of hearing "I'm for freedom" from people cowering under Big Brother's shadow. No MORE. We're Americans and it's high time we started acting like it. All of us.


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    Happy Thanksgiving. Nice license plates. Sorry for the rant on your thread....but not sorry I said it. Someone needed to...
     
  15. EJR914

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    Did SPLC just make it dangerous to have a ‘conservative’ bumper sticker?

    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-n ... er-sticker

    Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_y-gLm9 ... r_embedded

    If you decide to watch the training video you will see retired ATF Special Agent in Charge James Cavanaugh and the very unfortunate Chief Robert Paudert, West Memphis, Ark., Police Department. I sure do hope that not one LEO officer out there will take this to heart and actually treat people differently because of our bumper stickers, 1st amendment protected bumper stickers, but I fear a small percentage may not realize the conflation and the rights of America citizens. I know most of the good officers out there are intelligent and will know that this training video is just blowing smoke up their backside, and is chilling free speech.

    If you watch the video, you will notice that the two murderers didn't have any bumper stickers on the back of their van! :shock:

    I also wonder if the everyday beat cop is going to be able to tell the difference between "Sovereign Citizen" bumper stickers and other Conservative bumper stickers? I am a conservative libertarian and I can't tell the difference between the bumper stickers discussed in the video and some libertarian bumper stickers. I understand that a special agent that has studied the sovereign citizen movement in great depth will be able to tell the difference, but to be honest, I don't think everyday beat cops will be able to tell the difference. I think training videos like this, and other out there are very dangerous to people with conservative bumper stickers, and I also feel it is chilling free speech. Again, stepping on the 1st amendment of citizens.

    Also, can an entire movement be conflated with the actions of these two violent cop-killing psychos? All these two nutjobs wanted to do is kill LEO, and they stated so on video! We even have another LEO here on the boards that said that he hasn't seen anything that would lead him to believe the members of this movement are violent.

    Since we know the movement is not at its core a violent one, why would these two prominent LEO take advice from the collectivist SPLC and make such a training video? I don't think its going to end up well for conservatives with bumper stickers.
     
  16. gunsmoker

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    The building where I work has a Gadsden "don't tread on me" flag flying proudly above the front door.
    And I had nothing to do with it. That's not me or the law office-- that's the work of the building's owner! :righton:
     
  17. livesounder

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    While I agree with your sentiments, I have a difficult time granting you the credibility to believe others should agree as well based upon your own admission to submission.

    Perhaps somewhere in there you stated you're changing your ways and I missed it.
     
  18. EJR914

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    I definitely agree with Owl's, sentiments, but to be honest, I change from day to day. The GCO sticker is always on my car, and I almost always open carry, but there are days I feel like slapping my Gadsden magnet on my car and other conservative bumper stickers, and then there are days when I don't. I guess some days I feel like standing up, and others I just feel like giving up. Sometimes I just don't see enough people standing up for what is right in this country.
     
  19. TippinTaco

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    Honestly I feel everything owl said above was absolutely the truth. I do feel that most of us do claim to stand up for rights for america and our rights as americans but when its time for duty to call:

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    Thats what it usually looks like.


    Give em hell Owl. I have already placed my GCO sticker on my wrangler PERMENTLY, its not a magnet, its on there until I ruin the sticker by pulling it off. If you believe in something so much then you need to tell others how much you believe in it. If you don't stand for whats right, then who will? I'm not rambling, and of course it sounds like a speech from Braveheart. But the facts are facts. I OC every where I go. I care less what the person beside me thinks or feels, and I could give two @#[email protected]#$. My firearm is my ability to protect my family and my friends from harm. Good post Owl. You're not alone bud :D