1. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Utah has but 4 places which are secured.

    (1) Prison/jails,
    (2) Courts,
    (3) mental Institutions, and
    (4) airports.

    All of these 'cept airports are required to store your firearm for you while inside.
     
  2. ber950

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    I could live with that.
     

  3. clintb

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    works for me.
     
  4. Malum Prohibitum

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    Supreme Court Says University of Utah Can't Ban Guns

    http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=478103

    September 8th, 2006 @ 2:04pm

    SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- The Utah Supreme Court on Friday struck down a ban on guns at the University of Utah, saying campus officials cannot adopt a policy that runs counter to state law.

    The university had argued that it had autonomous authority under the state Constitution.

    "The university's claim is unsupported by the text of our state's Constitution, its historical context or the prior decision of this court," the Supreme Court said in a 4-1 ruling.

    "The university is subject to Utah law prohibiting it from enacting or enforcing any policy restricting the possession or use of firearms," the court said.

    In 2004, Utah legislators passed a law preventing state and local agencies from restricting possession or use of firearms on public or private property.

    The university sued Attorney General Mark Shurtleff when he said the law applied to the school.

    Chief Justice Christine Durham was the only dissenter.

    "The record in this case contains extensive evidence ... that a no-weapons-on-campus policy is necessary to the educational enterprise," she said. "I therefore conclude that the university's policies governing students, faculty and staff are within its authority to govern academic affairs."

    University President Michael Young called a news conference to respond to the Supreme Court ruling.
     
  5. Malum Prohibitum

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    And what was said at that news conference?

    "Even with this ruling ... the University of Utah's President says concealed weapons will still be banned from campus."



    :shock:


    :-k

    Michael Young, President, University of Utah: "We certainly appreciate that, but also have a fundamental obligation to keep our students safe."

    http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=478103


    :?:
     
  6. Malum Prohibitum

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    I like this guy:

    Mark Shurtleff, Utah Attorney General: "Even though a lot of people think this case has been about guns, it's really been about the rule of law and who sets the law and who has to obey the law."

    :righton:
     
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    What a nice list of off-limits places. Utah and Alabama are in the hit parade. Sounds like the University will get sued again if the president acts on those comments.
     
  8. Malum Prohibitum

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    Utah has the edge on firearm permits

    Utah has the edge on firearm permits

    Utah has something that people from all over the country and Canada are clamoring for. Is it ski resort passes? Salt water taffy?

    No, it's Utah's concealed firearm permits.

    According to the Utah Bureau of Criminal Identification, which manages the permits that allow a person to legally carry a concealed firearm, the number of permit applications has nearly doubled in the past two years.



    http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650191531,00.html
     
  9. Malum Prohibitum

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    From the article, here is a new one on me:

    " . . . the news has also attracted Canadians seeking a permit that will be valid in several U.S. states when they visit for hunting trips."


    AND

    "According to BCI data, the top out-of-state permit seekers come from California, Nevada, Missouri, Arizona and Colorado. A handful of applicants also hail from as far as Colombia, Falkland Islands, Germany and United Arab Emirates."


    UAE?
     
  10. Malum Prohibitum

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    And they have their own 60 day issue:

    "The lack of funds has resulted in a lack of personnel needed to process the applications, which has created more problems. Background checks for concealed permits are one of the few that are mandated by law to be completed within 60 days."
     
  11. Malum Prohibitum

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    Apparently, even government Bureaucrat arrogance has its bounds, as the University lifted its longtime ban on guns on campus Monday.

    It has been two days now, so there is no telling what the death toll is.

    http://media.www.dailyutahchronicle.com ... lisher.com

    The AG there is my kind of guy. This change is a result of his actions (as you will see if you click on the link).

    The U. President is not giving up, though, as he is trying to get some legislative action . . .

    Now there is a surprise. :roll:
     
  12. Malum Prohibitum

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    The state Bureau of Criminal Identification - which has been swamped with out-of-state requests for concealed weapon permits - won an ally Wednesday in the Legislature.
    The Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice Interim Committee supported BCI's long-standing request that it keep the fees it collects for hidden-gun permits - estimated at $650,000 this year - rather than passing the fees on to the general fund.

    http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_4371987

    This is important news to those who might select this cheap permit for nonresident licenseing to gain carry privileges in more states than Georgia's license provides.
     
  13. Malum Prohibitum

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    Utahns support campus bans on guns
    http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650221170,00.html
    Utahns support campus bans on guns
    Copyright 2007 Deseret Morning News

    By Erin Stewart
    Deseret Morning News
    Many Utah residents are at odds with the state's highest court over whether concealed guns should be allowed on university campuses, and state leaders may try to appease both sides during this year's Legislature.
    Although the Utah Supreme Court struck down a University of Utah gun ban this fall, a new statewide poll shows the majority of 400 respondents think concealed weapons permit holders should not be allowed to carry guns on campus, particularly in residence halls and sports arenas.
    The Deseret Morning News/KSL-TV poll shows 64 percent of those surveyed think guns should definitely or probably not be allowed on campus. That's compared to 36 percent who think concealed weapon permit holders should be allowed to carry guns.
    The poll, conducted by Dan Jones and Associates on Jan. 2-4, has a 5 percent margin of error.
    "There's a long-standing tradition that institutions of higher education have not had guns on campus. I'm not surprised that the general public feels that way," said Kim Wirthlin, vice president for government relations at the U.
    The school's five-year court battle ended in September when the Utah Supreme Court struck down the gun ban at the state's flagship university, saying the school had no authority to make laws contrary to state statute.
    Although school leaders initially said they would continue with a federal case, U. leaders have now decided to try to work through the Legislature.
    Wirthlin is working with a group of higher education leaders and legislators to try to reach a compromise on the issue during the upcoming legislative session, although no formal bills have been written.
    Specifically, Wirthlin said she hopes the group can come up with a systemwide ban on guns in areas such as residence halls, sports arenas, classrooms, professors' offices and hospitals.
    Those areas are also of special concern to Utah residents surveyed in the Deseret Morning News poll. Eighty-three percent of those surveyed said guns should definitely or probably be prohibited in sports arenas, with classrooms ranking a close second with 80 percent saying guns should not be allowed there.
    Sixty-seven percent of respondents said guns should not be allowed in residence halls, and 66 percent said guns should not be allowed anywhere on campus.
    "We think in those kinds of areas where you have lots of people and situations that can get out of control that it's safer not to have guns," Wirthlin said. "We'd love to have no weapons on campus, but that's certainly not what the Legislature would like to have happen."
    Sen. Michael Waddoups, R-Taylorsville, is heading up the working group to address the gun ban. He said he hopes to have some resolution during this session, although the group has only met once to listen to university concerns.
    Waddoups added, however, that he has some questions he needs answered first. If guns are allowed in some areas and not others, for example, the university needs to provide some type of safe gun storage when students enter non-gun areas.
    Waddoups said he also wants to see more data on the types of violent crimes that are occurring on Utah's college campuses, as well as exactly what the parameters would be for concealed weapons permit holders.
    "We need to make sure it's understood that concealed weapons are concealed and no one knows that they are there unless there's an incident going on," he said.

    E-mail: estewart@desnews.com
     
  14. Malum Prohibitum

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    Sigh. :| It looks like the Utah "off limits" list is about to get a little longer than what is specified in the original post. :roll:
     
  15. Malum Prohibitum

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    www.dailyutahchronicle.com/media/storage/paper244/news/2007/02/07/News/Sticking.To.Their.Guns-2701979.shtml?sourcedomain=www.dailyutahchronicle.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com]Sticking to Their Guns: Student Group Advocates Their Second Amendment Rights[/url]

     
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  17. Rammstein

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    I wish I could carry on campus. :(
     
  18. Malum Prohibitum

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    Ok, here is how it finally shook out.


    :lol: :rotfl:

    The article includes a picture of a man from Gun Owners of Utah carrying his Glock openly while lobbying at the General Assembly.

    :D
     
  19. Rammstein

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    The state ban on firearms on campus is why I had to get an apartment, otherwise I would have opted for a dorm.
     
  20. geaux_tigers

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    Wouldn't that be nice...