Featured US POSTAL SERVICE FACILITY?

Discussion in 'Places Off-Limits' started by 3/325 AIR, Jan 26, 2018.

  1. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    Manned? So what happens when they go off? Are you confronted by Postal Ninjas who descend from secret openings in the ceiling and perform full body cavity searches on you?
     
  2. UtiPossidetis

    UtiPossidetis American

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    The Federal ruling, not our district or circuit, said that if the PO had been in a shopping mall or other location and not a self-contained USPS facility then the prohibition would not have applied except inside the facility. So, strip mall parking lot would seem ok - public street would seem ok. Parking lot exclusively for the USPS facility - not ok. YMMV.
     
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  3. GeorgiaGlocker

    GeorgiaGlocker Romans 10:13

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    There is nothing indicating that these spots are for the post office other than being located directly in front of the post office. No signage whatsoever.
     
  4. Taurus92

    Taurus92 Well-Known Member

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    Manned, yes. Body cavity search, no. Just funny looks when it goes off.
     
  5. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    Public property available for use by anyone.
     
  6. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    Interesting. Who mans it? Postal worker or police? Are you required to place your metallic stuff in a tray?
     
  7. AtlPhilip

    AtlPhilip Proud GCO member.

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    Private property with a conditional invitation to the public.
     
  8. awanatech

    awanatech Well-Known Member

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    I believe in post #25, moe mensale was referring the parking spots on Main St. that GeorgiaGlocker asked about in post #14. Those would be public property.
     
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  9. AtlPhilip

    AtlPhilip Proud GCO member.

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    Ah. Thanks for clarifying.
     
  10. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    Title 18 of the U.S. Code, section 930, is a general gun ban for all federal facilities.

    Now that we've got a pro-gun President in office, and a GOP majority in both houses of Congress, we should lobby them to change that.

    The new federal law should announce a new public policy in favor of licensed (meaning, background-checked and card-carrying vetted good guys and gals) armed citizens carrying guns for public safety and personal protection in all federal office buildings and facilities.

    The new federal law that I propose should say that for unlicensed persons who are nonetheless legal to own and transport firearms, they can have firearms in the parking areas of the facility, properly secured in a locked vehicle, or unloaded and encased (if the vehicle can't be locked effectively).

    If there are any exceptions to the general rule of pro-carry (courthouses? Security-sentitive facilities like the U.S. Capitol, the White House, federal courthouses, federal prisons, military installations...) THEN those places ONLY may have gun restrictions in place when three conditions are met:
    (1) Effective signage visible at every public entrance to the facility, and if the gun ban applies to the parking lot, then the signs must be at the parking lot entrance also.

    (2) A system of safe storage / temporary surrender of a firearm, where a person traveling with a firearm and who doesn't wish to be disarmed on her way to and from that federal facility can lock up the gun or turn it over to security there, to get it back on her way out.

    (3) Strict Scrutiny analysis applies. The gun ban must be carefully crafted to narrowly apply only when absolutely necessary to address (and I'd say "effectively address") a real problem (not merely speculative or fanciful) that is serious-- a compelling government interest.

    Congress made this law, and their exception for "hunting and other lawful purposes" is vague. It's not at all clear to me they envisioned people carrying loaded guns INSIDE federal buildings, rather than just on the grounds or surrounding woods.

    Congress needs to fix this law. Don't leave it up to judges or the administrative rule-making (and rule-changing) power of federal agencies.
     
  11. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    By the way, 18 USC 930 isn't specifically about Post Offices or postal property.

    There ARE federal laws (39 USC 410) and regulations (39 CFR 232.1) about that.

    Congress probably should amend the federal statute that empowers the Post Office to make and enforce its own rules to take gun control out of their hands, and force them to comply with a new national policy allowing licensed carry IN federal facilities and no-permit-needed vehicle carry or unloaded, encased transport.
     
  12. johnski

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    Just walked into a US Post Office Contracter which is set up inside a local Exxon gas station kwiki-mart. Had large US Post-Office Contract sign outside, a big sign on each main-entrance glass door, and a counter set up inside next to the cash register set up like the inside of a US Post Office. Is this kwiki-mart/gas station now a US Post Office and hence off-limits even the parking lot???
     
  13. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    The contractor is most likely sub-leasing the space from the Kwiki-mart owner so nothing would be off limits.
     
  14. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    If you haven't figured it out, yet, judges in America do whatever TF they want.
     
  15. Glockenator

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    Pretty much so. The absolute best job in the world. The entire USA government is covering your ass at all times, and you are pretty much untouchable, in every sense of the word. Screw up big time, cost someone their life, and the most that can ever happen to you is that someone overturns what you did. What's not to like about that?

    The most corrupt, jacked-up system in the entire world. No wonder people are proud of that.
     
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  16. Wegahe

    Wegahe NRA Instructor

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    As "jacked-up" as our system is there are far worse than ours in the world. You can pick just about any other country and they would be worse.
     
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  17. AtlPhilip

    AtlPhilip Proud GCO member.

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    Acceptance of shortcomings is how they became lesser.
     
  18. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Well, the CFR is supposed to be authorized by the statute.

    The CFR is a regulation (R = regulation). Congress did not pass it. Bureaucrats made it up and published it.

    USC is the statute (C= code).

    Here is the one gunsmoker cited.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/39/410

    Nothing in there authorizes bureaucrats to enact a total gun ban.

    By the way, the sign at my local post office specifically cites 18 USC 930, the statute I discussed on the prior page. That statute makes a blanket exception for hunting and a blanket exception for "other lawful purposes." It also has all sorts of notice requirements for the persons running the federal facility if they wish to enforce it.

    Bureaucrats should not be permitted to make and enforce a regulation with criminal penalties that proscribes conduct not proscribed by the statute, or, as here, specifically permitted by the statute.

    In spite of the sign at my local post office (tucked out of the way and difficult to notice at all, much less prior to entry, nobody in my local post office cares about enforcing it. I suppose that is one of the benefits of living in a small town.
     
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  19. Malum Prohibitum

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    By the way, the Bonidy case, discussed above, dealt with the CFR gunsmoker cited. Whether it is an authorized regulation by some federal statute was not at issue in the case. The case decided only that the regulation does not violate the Second Amendment, using an intermediate scrutiny analysis.
     
  20. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    LOL

    The majority of people from most countries feel their justice system is the best. This is a nationalistic logical fallacy. There are worse than ours, but there are some that are better. The problem is the same corruption that happens over here, happens over there. The problem is government judges doing whatever they want and remaining untouchable. They are protected from on high by law enforcement and the system.