Urgent push for a Bump Stock bill

Discussion in 'National Laws, Bills and Politics' started by phantoms, Oct 5, 2017.

  1. phantoms

    phantoms Senior Mumbler

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    There is a heavy push right now for a Bump Stock bill and many Republicans are supporting this type of gun Control in addition to most Democrats. They are trying to fast track it too.

    NRA calls for review on bump stocks

    Republican-led bill on bump stocks may come today

    Do not for a second see this as not being a gun Control issue, it is.

    Contact your Representatives and Senators now and let them know how you feel before this is fast tracked through.

    To Contact your Representatives go to https://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

    To contact your Senators go to https://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?State=GA.


    Edit to add the First Republican Bill:
     
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  2. Mrs_Esterhouse

    Mrs_Esterhouse Swollen Member

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    Does The Brady Campaign -ever- agree to less gun regulation? No, never.
    Does Moms Demand Action -ever- agree to less gun regulation? No, never.
    Does Everytown For Gun Safety -ever- agree to less gun regulation? No, never.

    Does NRA -ever- agree to more gun regulation? Yes, several times in fact.
     

  3. Mrs_Esterhouse

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    The claim that banning bump stocks will keep us safe is a lie. It will do nothing for safety and only pave a path for future magazine and rifle bans.

    Do not support more gun control.
    Do not support a lie.

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  4. Savannah Dan

    Savannah Dan Cross-drawer

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    Doesn't the NRA see the potential revenue they could generate from bump-fire stocked rifle training classes?!?

    <sarcasm>
     
  5. phantoms

    phantoms Senior Mumbler

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  6. Mrs_Esterhouse

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  7. Craftsman

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    Read the statement VERY carefully. The NRA is suggesting that the BATFE review its earlier finding, NOT that Congress pass new legislation. They DO urge National Reciprocity from Congress. Having the BATFE reverse its earlier decision would be the least damaging way to enact a bump-fire ban. Such a ruling would not open us up to having people who know nothing about guns write technical laws like we got in 1934 and 1986. Overall, I think it was very well written, unfortunately people don't read carefully.
     
  8. mrhutch

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    The bill includes language banning any trigger that could increase the rate of fire as well. That includes binary triggers, and technically any trigger that isn't milspec. No more match triggers, no geissele, no CNC, no Timney, no polished triggers. That would be a huge hit.
     
  9. Taurus92

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    http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idINKBN1CD0RU

     
  10. Mrs_Esterhouse

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    The only hope I have for a semi-positive outcome of the NRA's f— up is an NFA swap-out of suppressors and/or SBRs for bumpfire stocks—making suppressors/SBRs non NFA and bumpfire stocks a new $200 NFA item. I suppose that would be sort of net neutral if it happens. It still sets up a terrible expectation in the Public's mind that a new ban or regulation is the proper remedy for a mass shooting.
     
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  11. Taurus92

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    The most positive response would be the backlash force a discussion on the purpose of the 2A. If the purpose of the 2A is as written, then any bans restricting weapons limiting our ability to resist invading forces or tyrannical ones should be abolished.
     
  12. mrhutch

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    I would gladly sacrifice bump stocks in exchange for abolishing the Hughes amendment and opening up the machine gun registry to any new firearm.
     
  13. Mrs_Esterhouse

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    Will never ever happen.
     
  14. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    Well it's only FAIR.

    Thousands of innocent owners of bump fire stocks already paid good money to buy them, and invested days of practice (a lot of $$$ on ammo) in learning to shoot bump-fire.
    That kind of investment should not be rendered null and void.
    Instead, let those people register their bump-fire stocks and binary triggers and trigger-cranks as post-1986 machineguns (conversion parts).
    The easiest way to do this is repeal the Hughes Amendment.

    Let anybody who is willing to undergo the cost, trouble, and privacy loss associated with an NFA taxable transfer get a new MG/ select fire.
    Nobody who has done that has EVER killed anybody with his or her legally-registered full auto.
    Obviously the NFA paperwork WORKS in keeping bad guys from choosing those kinds of weapons for their crimes.
     
  15. moe mensale

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    Apparently you didn't.

    https://home.nra.org/joint-statement/

     
  16. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    So many people willing to continue bending over and compromising just like we've done over the last 30-40 years.

    Sacrifices like these should be memorialized.
     
  17. moe mensale

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    Why? As the law currently stands, none of those parts fit the definition of machine guns and/or conversion parts.
     
  18. mrhutch

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    Bump stocks wouldn't exist if new machine guns could be built. It's cheaper to buy m16 parts and convert a receiver, and then register it, than it is to buy a $300 bump stock or $400 binary trigger.
     
  19. moe mensale

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    That's just an assumption. We don't know what the market would be like for true full autos or conversion parts. Or what legislation might have been passed at the federal or state levels. We can guess based on how we think it might be but you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 2nd Amendment is a national whipping boy for all kinds of interests.
     
  20. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    Our "guess" can be based on factual data regarding the price points of full autos that were legally NFA registered in the last several years before the 1986 ban on new M.G. transfers went into effect.

    Just look at the period of, let's say, 1975-1985.
    What were MG prices like compared to their semi-auto counterparts?
    What did a full-auto / select-fire conversion cost, if you had a gunsmith (Class III manufacturer) do it on your semi?

    I was a teenager then, but it seems to me that full autos ONLY cost about 2X the price of a semi-auto of the same basic design.

    When a Colt SP-1 would sell for $400, you could get an M16 clone, select fire, for around $900 or $1000.

    When a Ruger Mini-14 sold for $300, you'd pay $700 for the AC556.

    Even in 1986, when the ban had just been passed by Congress, you could get a semi-auto Cobray / SWD or similar MAC-10 or M11/9mm SMG for $200, and the select fire NFA version was $400 or $500. New.

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    Also, look at what TODAY'S prices are for SBR's and SBS's, and AOW pistol-sized guns that use shotgun shells.

    They also cost 2X to 3X the standard Title 1 firearms.

    So, based on that, if the Huges Amendment were repealed and post-1986 full autos were transferable again, I'd expect the common AR and AK designs to eventually stabilize their prices at $2500 or so.
    Ugly little bullet hoses like the open-bolt submachine gun / automatic pistols would be $1000 or less.
    You could buy the conversion parts sets and install them yourself (after sending in the paperwork to ATF and paying the tax) for only $100 worth of parts.