Update: Video Added, LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

Discussion in 'LEO Encounters' started by EJR914, Oct 8, 2010.

  1. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

    44,830
    186
    63
    Video of incident added: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAUCIBNA ... r_embedded

    You can hear the officer mention something about his "Georgia right to carry sticker on his car."

    Does anyone know how to enhance the video and take away some of the loud radio traffic that muffles what the officer was saying? If anyone does, please message me or let me know.

    This is a good example of how to deal with a LEO stop, but I keep my pistol on my side so I don't think this would have helped me much.

    I guess this just goes to show that having a GCO sticker on your car can get you taken out of a car and patted down for weapons. Of course, I don't know what he would have done had he found a weapon or seen it in plain sight.

    This was written to me by a friend who is a GCO member, but doesn't post here. I thought I'd post it for all to see here. Just to help us out, and let everyone know that LEOs know what GCO is, and also that you may be asked to step out of your car and patted down if the officer notices your sticker.

    I also have a sticker on the outside of my car.

    I don't know if he's going to get the dashcam video, but if he gets it and posts it on the internet, I'll post it as soon as I get it.

    He also should have said, "Sir, I do not consent to any searches." He didn't put this in the email, so I'm assuming he didn't say it

    Updated: GCO didn't see anything that was too serious with a questionable pat down, even though the officer specifically mentioned the GCO sticker was the reason he asked about weapons, asked him to step out of the car, and patted him down. This coming from the GCO member themselves.

    I'm still going to try to persuade him to get the Dashcam video just for his records, and plus I'd like to see and hear everything that went down.

    I'm still going to try and persuade him to talk to the chief officer about this situation.

    He told me that he would like to do something, but just doesn't know what to do. He definitely told me that a lawsuit is out of the question, because of his finances. Someone would have to do it pro bono. He would have to find an attorney that thought he even had a case, and according to one, they don't think he has a case. If anybody knows of an attorney who is willing to look at the case, and may think about pro bono, let me know. Other than that, this is just about stopped in its tracks.

    I believe the case law already mentioned has to do with a deep full search of the automobile for firearms, which the officer did not do in this situation. Just a patdown.

    I'm not saying what the officer did was perfect, but I think officers can do a pat down for weapons just because of the ole' "officer safety." Don't quote me on that, though.

    The officer in this instance did not do a full and deep search of his car. Only a plain view search, which is of course, legal.

    Maybe I can persuade him to at least get the video for it. I would like to see it, and I'm sure others here would like to as well. Let me know what all of you guys think about this.

    Thanks for all of the support everyone. :righton:
     
  2. Priest

    Priest New Member

    2,133
    0
    0
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    The right to remain silent means he wont answer a question that would incriminate him... which means, I did something wrong and you cant make me tell on myself. I have and will continue to use, "there are no illegal weapons (or substances) in this vehicle". Sometimes the lump a drug or substance question into the weapons one... so that gets put there too. Of course "I do not consent to any form of search to my person or property".
     

  3. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

    67,050
    1,427
    113
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    I posted a case on here where the Ninth Circuit held that searching a man or his truck because of an NRA sticker was wrong.

    Essentially, this jackass is claiming that being a GCO member means that a person is likely to shoot him. I sure would like to see more.

    It is NOT just the presence of the firearm. I can guarantee you he does not manhandle and grope police officers whom he stops.
     
  4. AV8R

    AV8R Banned

    6,624
    2
    0
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    Similar to having 4:20 stickers on your bumper and then getting searched for drugs without consent. [-X

    311 lyrics of the song: Offbeat Bare-Ass

    /been a fan since 1992
    //OMG I'm getting old.
     
  5. ookoshi

    ookoshi Moderator

    5,239
    14
    38
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    Yeah, we went from 1992 to 311 touring with Snoop Dogg.

    It was a fun concert nonetheless.
     
  6. GeorgiaGlocker

    GeorgiaGlocker Romans 10:13

    4,544
    39
    48
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    I doubt that all Leo's know what GCO is.
     
  7. SAXD2003

    SAXD2003 New Member

    133
    0
    0
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    Im a huge 311 fan. Favorite band by far. And you, sir, just quoted my favorite song 8)

    But I have yet to have a gun related encounter with an officer. Reading this forum definatly has me knowing what to say and make sure that I am in the right though. Thank you GCO :righton:
     
  8. chainsaw123

    chainsaw123 GPDO Supporter

    3,508
    1
    38
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    it could stand for any one of these:

    Acronym Definition
    GCO Global Children's Organization (Los Angeles, CA)
    GCO Google Check Out
    GCO Georgia Carpet Outlet
    GCO Ground Communication Outlet (aviation)
    GCO GeorgiaCarry.org (firearms website)
    GCO Global Clinical Operations
    GCO Government Concept of Operations
    GCO Geotechnical Control Office (Hong Kong)
    GCO Group Compliance Officer (job title)
    GCO Golf Course Operator/Owner
    GCO Gun Control Officer
    GCO Grand Commander
    GCO Garbage Collection Overhead
    GCO Greeley Chamber Orchestra (Greeley, CO)
    GCO Government Contracting Office
    GCO Game Cards Online

    submit new definition
     
  9. rabbivj

    rabbivj My Name is Inigo Montoya

    4,025
    13
    38
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    This is prolly a moot point but i think its south of either abernathy or johnson ferry is when it goes down to 35. north of those areas is 45.
     
  10. RedDawnTheMusical

    RedDawnTheMusical Well-Known Member

    10,792
    315
    83
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    Too bad familiarity with Georgia Carry didn't translate into familiarity with State v. Jones. I can see where a GCO sticker might translate into a higher probability of an armed occupant, I just can't see where it would translate into the "dangerous" part of the equation for the Terry stop/officer safety pat down.
     
  11. higabyte

    higabyte New Member

    126
    0
    0
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    If anything I'd think the GCO sticker would help establish some credibility... How many street thugs are gonna be a member of a gun rights organization? None would be my guess.
     
  12. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

    44,830
    186
    63
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    I agree Priest, and I will continue to say that exact phrase. "There are no illegal weapons or substances in this vehicle." Along with "I do not consent to any form of a search of my person and property."

    I really need to work on the last part of that phrase. "any form of a search of my person or property." I like the ending of that.
     
  13. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

    44,830
    186
    63
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    MP, I did a quick search on "ninth circuit NRA Sticker" and didn't come up with anything. Would you happen to remember then name of the case, or have a link to that case?

    I would like to read it. Also, I would like to send that case to the GCO member and show him that his 4th amendment rights may have been violated due to the search of his person.

    Also, would State v. Jones apply in this case?

    I am going to urge him to get all related video and radio traffic, as well as contacting the Chief LEO officer for Sandy Springs and discussing the "NRA sticker" case with him. If State v. Jones also applies, I will urge him to discuss that case with him as well.
     
  14. budder

    budder Moderator Staff Member

  15. RedDawnTheMusical

    RedDawnTheMusical Well-Known Member

    10,792
    315
    83
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    Bingo.
     
  16. phantoms

    phantoms Senior Mumbler

    6,194
    181
    63
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    I'm sure the rifleman in the logo goes well with most of those definitions. :shattered:
     
  17. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

    44,830
    186
    63
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    The sticker doesn't say, "GCO" on it. It actually says, "GeorgiaCarry.Org."

    I'm sure when the see the Patriot with the rifle, the "Carry" part, and "Protecting Your Rights" they can put two and two together, if they don't already know what GeorgiaCarry.Org is.

    I'm sure GeorgiaCarry.Org is getting enough talk around the water cooler with all the lawsuits and pro-gun legislation that they've helped become law.
     
  18. Owl

    Owl New Member

    2,956
    0
    0
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    Some of you may remember a post about 6 months ago where a friend and I were fishing a stream in the Great Smoky Mountain National Park. Rangers bushwhacked their way into the stream to find us, because according to them " I noticed your sticker[magnet] on your truck - are you carrying a weapon?"

    So, I don't doubt that story one bit.
     
  19. BirdMan

    BirdMan Active Member

    1,253
    0
    36
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    Aaaannnd.....that is the major reason why I don't have gun stickers on my car. The other ones being I think it makes the car more likely to be broken into (by people who might think there would be guns inside) and more likely to be keyed by a hoplophobe in my liberal town.

    I've never been stopped and asked about guns, but I'm debating between the following answers:
    -The 'no illegal guns' response. :cantsay:
    -"Well, of COURSE I've got guns in the car. It's my constitutional right to, isn't it?! I've also got a legal carry permit for when I'm not in the car. Do you need to know if I've got any gas in my gas tank as well?" ...then smile and look at him like I think he's a bit slow to even have to ask such an obvious question. :roll:
     
  20. Owl

    Owl New Member

    2,956
    0
    0
    Re: LEO Encounter- GCO Sticker Patted Down

    Hey man, if you want to self-deny your 1st amendment rights along with the others, that's ok by me.

    I do feel you have a point about the break-ins, although a smart thief might figure you'd have it on you. But there aren't really many of those around, are there? ;)