UF student tasered

Discussion in 'Off-topic' started by jeepsterwannabe, Sep 19, 2007.

  1. jeepsterwannabe

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  2. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    I am not so sure. The facts may be a little more confusing than the video shows. I put this in the grey area.
     

  3. AeroShooter

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    I'm actually torn on this one... Generally speaking, I'm firmly in the camp of using tasers as a subsitute for a firearm in situations where the officer or the public is threatened. Other uses such as enforcing compliance I'm reluctant to give approval on more than a case by case basis until I've developed a better understanding.

    Tasering folks in hand cuffs is a big no-no in my book. The threshold is pretty high in my book for a justifable tase. The example that leaps in my mind is meth-head that goes berserk kicking or otherwise using his body as a weapon. That would be acceptable. What is unacceptable is the example to the UCLA student being repeatedly tased after being placed in handcuffs because he would not stand up or move under his own power.

    I'm opposed to tasering folks repeatedly. Everything in the literature suggests that a single tasering is quite debiliating. I do not think it is unreasonable to allow someone to recover mentally from the event before requiring compliance... as long as the probes are still in the body... they're still under control. Additionally, considering the jurisdictions that require EMS to respond to a tasering... the officers are going to be there 15-20 additional minutes just from the tasering... there's no hurry.

    However, after seeing & hearing this guy's behavior, something is telling that it was ok... 'cuz he was naughty and deserved to be punished... does this make me a bad person???
     
  4. Thorsen

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    There has been some discussion that the videos posted so far are heavily edited to make the police look as bad as possible and him to look as if he is being manhandled for simply asking a question.

    This discussion came up on fark.com and with the number of people who read that site you can usually count on someone posting who has first hand experience (case in point, during the VT shootings there was a running thread with real time information being posted by the students on that campus).

    Anyway, from what some people said who claimed to be there, the timeframe for student questions had expired and the guy who got tasered basically wasn't going to leave unless he got to ask his question. He forced his way past several other people who had been waiting in line and grabbed the microphone and demanded that Kerry take his question. That is why in the video the police are standing behind him already when he is asking his question. They had already moved into place to remove him when Kerry indicated that he would answer his questions and told him to wait until he finished answering the question he was already on. When he began to ask his question it basically turned into a diatribe, and after approximately a minute of him demagogueing the university cut the audio to his microphone. This didn't stop him, and when the police moved forward to remove him from the building, he began yelling at the police and pulling away from them. At that point, the police tried to take him down and somewhere in the process he got tased.

    The only question I have is did he get tased after the handcuffs were on him as some people are claiming? If he was tased so that he could be cuffed, well he pretty much deserved it.
     
  5. AeroShooter

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    Based on this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

    I've got to call bad tase on this one... the officers were piled on... guy wasn't going nowhere and they could've man-handled his arms behind his back, in time...

    That's just this citizen's view point... love to hear from the LEO camp...

    I think this was clearly a disorderly conduct case.
     
  6. budder

    budder Moderator Staff Member

    If it's debilitating, then why did the officers have to taser this wheelchair-bound woman 10 times? http://news.yahoo.com/s/wkmg/20070919/lo_wkmg/14147512
     
  7. jeepsterwannabe

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    disorderly conduct, the blanket charge.
     
  8. AeroShooter

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    I'm not going there with you butters... I've learned my lesson from the Submersible Glock discussion & observing your behavior in the non-Yousiff related items thread... I'm just not going to do it.
     
  10. budder

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    :-k Ummm... cause a defibrillator was not handy.

    CLEAR!
    {taze}
    No response! Do it again!
    CLEAR!
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  12. budder

    budder Moderator Staff Member

    Ah. I was just thinking that the one officer that tased her 9 times was having a seizure due to an improperly grounded taser. Your explanation makes much more sense than mine, or the "poor training" and "bad attitude" explanations I've heard elsewhere.
     
  13. jeepsterwannabe

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-DivHLM ... ed&search=

    watch the last 3 minutes of this one, the kid is a nut but he wasnt a threat/criminal,

    I guess when the officer says he is being arrested for "inciting a riot", she was refferring to the riot which inlcuded 6 officers dogpiling one kid
     
  14. mzmtg

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    I'm going to wear this shirt at all times to make sure cops know where I stand:
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  15. mzmtg

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    He incited a public gathering.
     
  16. ptsmith24

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    :lol:
     
  17. AeroShooter

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    You can even get Norman Rockwell paintings on the subject of civic participation:

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  18. wsweeks2

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    His parents should have tased him for choosing to go to UF.
     
  19. MrMorden

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    Agreed. It looks to me that he was asked to leave the auditorium and refused, and the officers were attempting to escort him out when he started getting more violently resistant.

    It looks to me like it might be an okay thing for the officers to have done, but it almost certainly could have been handled differently.

    If it were me and this were Georgia, I'd probably consider charges like criminal trespass (since he was asked to leave and didn't) or disorderly conduct.
     
  20. GeorgiaGlocker

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    It has been said that he was already cuffed when he was tazed. It is hard to say 100% on the clips I have seen. But if he was [-X