Two very different crimes by kids

Discussion in 'In the News' started by Macktee, Mar 16, 2007.

  1. Macktee

    Macktee New Member

    The first story seems to be an over-reaction by the cops. I suspect the kid's mother got loud with them, but still there's no way that should have happened to a seven year old. What happened in the second story shouldn't have happened either.

    There must be a way to keep kids out of trouble that doesn't involve parental responsibility because we know their parents aren't going to get involved no matter what.

    So, what is the answer? There's got to be a solution. Somewhere between locking up seven year olds and having 14 year old murderers, there just has got to be one. But, I certainly don't know what it is...

    Yahoo! News
    Police arrest 7-year-old on dirt bike

    36 minutes ago

    Police arrested a 7-year-old boy, handcuffed him and hauled him down to the station house on a charge of riding a motorized dirt bike on a sidewalk.

    Then, according to his mother, Gerard Mungo Jr. was handcuffed to a bench and interrogated before being released to his parents.

    "They scared me," Gerard told The Baltimore Examiner before breaking down in tears.

    Mayor Sheila Dixon apologized Friday for the arrest, and police commissioner Leonard Hamm said it would be investigated internally.

    The arrest came after an officer saw Gerard riding his dirt bike on the sidewalk in east Baltimore on Tuesday, police spokesman Matt Jablow said. Hamm, citing the internal probe, declined to discuss how the rest of the incident unfolded.

    Kikisa Dinkins said her son was sitting on the bike with the motor off on the sidewalk when an officer grabbed him by the collar and pulled him off.

    "I told them to let go of my baby," Dinkins said. "Since when do you pull a 7-year-old child by his neck and drag him?"

    Dinkins said she called for a police supervisor to intervene, but the confrontation continued to escalate after the supervisor arrived.

    "They started yelling at him, 'Do you know what you did wrong, son?'" Dinkins said. "He was so scared he ran upstairs."

    Police arrested Gerard and confiscated the bike.

    Dinkins said officers fingerprinted him and took his mug shot. Hamm could not confirm that and said those actions would not have been normal procedure in a non-felony case.

    Dinkins said the arrest scarred her son. "This has changed his life," she said. "He'll never be the same."

    The Police Department's zero-tolerance arrest policy — begun under former Mayor Martin O'Malley, who is now Maryland's governor — has drawn complaints that such arrests occur most often in poor, black neighborhoods. Gerard is black.

    Hamm said the officer had the option of talking with a parent or confiscating the bike. He said that although the city is concerned about nuisance dirt bikes, the arrest "was not consistent with my philosophy of trying to solve problems in the neighborhoods."

    The mayor, who appeared Friday with Hamm, said she also planned to look into the case.

    "It is clear to me that the arrest was wrong, that the officers on the scene should not have arrested the child, and on behalf of the City of Baltimore I apologize to the boy and his parents," Dixon said.

    Detroit Free Press

    Marred graffiti costs teen's life

    Detroit cops: Gangs knew gunman as Little Capone

    March 16, 2007


    The penalty for defacing the gang's graffiti is death.

    Shortly after midnight Feb. 11, a masked teenager known as Little Capone set out to punish such blatant disrespect of his gang's name and symbols, Detroit police said Thursday.

    Police said 14-year-old Caleb Sosa, accompanied by two or three other young gang members, was carrying a semiautomatic pistol when he chased down a 19-year-old man for painting over the gang's tagging on buildings in southwest Detroit.

    As the 19-year-old ran to a friend's house in the 7000 block of St. John, Sosa opened fire, wounding his target, police say, but also wounding 13-year-old Christian Sanchez in the head as he opened the door. Christian died instantly.

    On Thursday, Sosa was charged as an adult in Detroit's 36th District Court with first-degree murder, assault with intent to commit murder and possession of a firearm during a felony. He faces possible life in prison without parole.

    Sosa is an eighth-grader at Earhart Middle School near Detroit's Clark Park and has no criminal record, police say. Sosa admitted to a lengthy history of being involved with a gang, said Detroit Police Homicide Investigator Dwight Pearson.

    Sosa is being held in the Wayne County Juvenile Detention Facility without bond pending a March 22 preliminary examination in district court.

    His attorney, Lillian Diallo, appeared at the teen's arraignment but wouldn't comment afterward, saying she had not yet gotten copies of police reports on the case. Sosa's mother and sister also attended the hearing but declined to comment.

    The 19-year-old victim, known by his graffiti as A.B., declined to be interviewed when contacted at his home by the Free Press on Wednesday. The Free Press is not naming the artist because he was a witness to a gang shooting.

    Sanchez friendly, popular

    Christian Jesus Sanchez, who was born in Ft. Worth, Texas, moved to Detroit with his family about 12 years ago and was an eighth-grader at Academy of the Americas school in Detroit.

    Christian also was featured in video story posted Jan. 20 on the Free Press Web site about a program through Latino Family Services in Detroit. He also wrote a poem titled "Where I'm From" last year while working on his writing skills in a program at the southwest Detroit agency.

    "Where I'm from you're scared to go to the corner," Christian wrote in the poem. "Wearing the colors you're not supposed to because the folks might get you."

    Naomi Khalil, assistant principal at Academy of the Americas, said Christian was "very friendly, a very popular kid."

    "Christian was a very artistic student," she said Thursday. "He loved drawing. He was not the best academic student, but he had a good heart and tried to do his best in school."

    The eighth-grade class has only 55 students, and Khalil said most of them, including Christian, had been together for years.

    "It's a very close-knit group," Khalil said. Christian's death has "really affected the kids."

    Christian's mother, Norma Sanchez, and father, Alejandro Sanchez, were present for Thursday's arraignment.

    "He was an exemplary child. He never talked back. He was always successful," his mother said in Spanish through an interpreter. "He wanted to be a mechanic like his dad.

    "He was afraid of everything going on in the street," Norma Sanchez said. "He didn't like to go out."

    Christian was staying at the home of his father when he was shot.

    Graffiti grows with gangs

    Brenda Morales, who works with Latino Family Services in the Springwells area of Detroit, said gang-related graffiti seems to be popping up more frequently in the area.

    "I'm seeing more and more kids aged 14 to 15 all the way up to around 19 years old hanging out in groups around the neighborhood," said Morales, who has three children, including a 13-year-old boy. "In my apartment building, for example, it was brand new, and within a couple of weekends the walls were filled with gang graffiti."

    Morales and others say gangs exert a greater influence on the youth in the area, as economic conditions grow worse in Detroit.

    In recent years, more than a dozen known gangs have increased their use of violence in neighborhoods in southwest Detroit, according to experts familiar with the growth of gangs in the area.

    The violence has gotten the attention of Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. On Tuesday, he announced his desire to have the city's gang squad patrol Detroit Public Schools.

    Matt Allen, spokesman for Kilpatrick, said the mayor told him Thursday that Christian's death "illustrates the problem we're having in our community, and it demonstrates what I talked about in my speech.

    "This is why we as adults need to reengage with our children," Allen quoted Kilpatrick as saying. "We need to engage in our schools; we need to engage in our households; we need to engage in our communities and neighborhoods."

    James Tate, a spokesman for the Police Department, said it has several initiatives to address the gang problem, including gathering more intelligence on gang activities.

    "We're going to the neighborhoods and talking to these young guys," Tate said. "When they do get arrested, we sit down and debrief them."
  2. luke0927

    luke0927 New Member

    I would like to hear the story from the police officers in the first case.....

    and as for the second.....i say push the death penalty for the low life maggots that have already proven to be a waste on our society....the earlier we wipe them out the better.

  3. Macktee

    Macktee New Member


    Hey Luke:

    Don't hold it in; you could hurt yourself that way...

    Don't worry so much about being politically correct, just tell us what's on your mind.

    So, go ahead. Tell us how you really feel! Express your true feelings for those poor children who have been treated so unfairly by society they have no choice but to act out their frustrations in this unacceptable manner. Those poor kids. I know your heart bleeds for them about as much as mine...

  4. luke0927

    luke0927 New Member


    :cry: ok ok......lets just put them in prison for the rest of their live and spend millions on housing/feeding/medication for the rest of their lives.....ohh never mind just give them the death penalty.....
  5. Doc Holliday

    Doc Holliday New Member

    My brother got caught riding a dirt bike on the road once. The police just escorted him home and talked to my parents. Of course that was back in the early 1980's before it became a capital case...... :lol:
  6. Tinkerhell

    Tinkerhell Active Member

    (ok totally off thread but the above reminded me of...)

    When I was 14 I had an old moped. Max speed about 35mph. I drove it from Macon to Perry ( about 40 miles ) one day on back country hwys. No license, no insurance, no tags. To see a girl (root of all problems :wink: ) of course. Got stopped by a city cop in Perry. Of course they stopped me right in front of this seedy, mean as hell looking biker bar. So here's this skinny, pale, 14 year old kid on a 2 bit ragged moped stopped in front of a line of Harley's and their owners. I could not possible have been more embarrassed. The leo took me to the station (leaving the moped at the bar - the bikers all said they would make sure no one stole it....) where they asked me if I was running away or had any family problems or what. They didn't seem to believe anyone would be silly enough to do what I did to see a chick. My mom had to come get me & then my sister had to drive her truck down to Perry to pick up the moped. No charges, just told to leave the womens alone & not ride through downtown Perry anymore.
    Worst part - the girl wasn't home. I never got to see her. :evil:
  7. Rammstein

    Rammstein New Member


  8. slabertooch

    slabertooch New Member

    or the obligatory


    for those of you that play CS
  9. Rammstein

    Rammstein New Member

    Leet speak time eh?

    "j00 r teh 0wnd 0n3!!!!1eleven"

    [/leet speak]

  10. gunsbillygun

    gunsbillygun Member

    you do and youll clean it up, mister.

    PS. say what?
  11. luke0927

    luke0927 New Member


    Guess thats better than meeting her and getting and STD...huh!!! LOL
  12. glockgirl

    glockgirl Guest

    awww that's cute...
  13. Tinkerhell

    Tinkerhell Active Member

    That was like 22 years ago. At most it would have been a bit of kissing & if I was lucky some light petting. This girl was a summer first-young-love type thing not the 2am she looked good at the time what the [email protected] am I waking up next to I couldn't possibly have drank that much could I chick.


    besides, STD's wouldn't have been a worry for like another 18 months for me. :eek: