Turn over your social media passwords to get a permit!

Discussion in 'National Laws, Bills and Politics' started by StarJack, Dec 6, 2018.

  1. StarJack

    StarJack Well Aged Member

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    Get a load of this elected JBT interviewed by Tucker Carlson last night.



    This is just the beginning of what the postmodern progressives mean by "enhanced background checks".
     
  2. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    Turning over social media passwords is far too intrusive. You should not have to give up your privacy rights to that level in order to exercise your Second Amendment rights .

    that would be like the government telling you you have to consent to a full search of your house including looking in your diary, going through all your private letters and papers, looking at all the pictures and all your cameras and all your home movies.
    Far too intrusive.

    But considering how many nutty, hateful, irrational, paranoid people are out there with extremist political or religious views, I think some of them should be denied a gun permit.

    And I think it would be OK for the government to do an intensive background check on them including looking at any public posts made on social media, and interviewing their neighbors, interviewing their coworkers etc.
     

  3. Wegahe

    Wegahe NRA Instructor

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    I don't.

    The main reason is you are opening up everyone to this sort of intrusion into private lives. Clear violations of the 4th and 5th. They would need a warrant to do such a search and I do not believe the desire to legally purchase a firearm is enough to obtain one.
     
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  4. Craftsman

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    Feature not bug. The left wants to chill your right to keep and bear arms by any means necessary. They want you to be helpless.
     
  5. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    I am quite sure the "Crown" would have viewed many of the "Founders" as being within one or more of those categories, which is why the idea of enshrining a right to keep and bear arms in the Constitution was so popular, especially in New England. I am glad they did not put the "extremist" exception into the written text.
     
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  6. Malum Prohibitum

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    “What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure,” Jefferson wrote in a letter to William S. Smith, a diplomatic official in London, on November 13, 1787. He wrote this on foreign soil. He was commenting on the failed "Shay's Rebellion," and there is no way the comment can be taken as anything other than a note of approval for the rebellious.

    I wonder what action should be taken? When the government reviews Mr. Jefferson's writings and finds this admiration of traitors who went to war against their lawful government? Does he get his "gun permit?"

    What if they find his writing encouraging 15 year old Peter Carr to let his gun be the "constant companion" of his daily walks, abandoning the alternative of sports played with a ball?

    What if they discover that he did not secure his own firearms from theft by negroes, and one of his firearms is found in the possession of a slave? What if he had to write to an innkeeper to recover a pistol he forgot, "which no doubt was found in your bar after my departure?"

    What if he was known to award children firearms, for the purpose of protecting "his country from [the ravages] of biped invaders?"

    What say you? Do you exercise your discretion to issue Thomas Jefferson his permit, or not?
     
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  7. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Rhetorical questions, of course. :)
     
  8. Alabama Jones

    Alabama Jones Señor Member

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    A most excellent post, MP.
     
  9. Nemo

    Nemo Man of Myth and Legend

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    Consider the extreme left wing guy who wants complete socialism in the US. Can he get permits? Does that person get to vote? An attorney if being interrogated by police? Jury Trial? Or do you need to apply for a permit for those?

    So at what point in your daily life is that investigation no longer necessary? To purchase archery equipment? Knife with point? Rounded tip? Glass bottle? To get a credit card? Drivers license? Permit to purchase alcohol? Be given prescription for medications? Sched 2? 3? 4?

    Either you have gone completely round the bend and need all firearms removed from being accessible to you or you are doing some serious chain yanking.

    Somehow I lean toward the bend part.

    Nemo
     
  10. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    The two-headed snake rears itself from slumber once again.
     
  11. moe mensale

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    Bernie Sanders? Alexandria Ocasio Cortez? Franklin Graham? Rush Limbaugh? Louis Farrakhan? Robert Mueller? Lou Dobbs? Jesus Christ? Muhammad?

    Who gets to decide who holds "extremist" viewpoints and be denied "something?"
     
  12. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    Stop bringing up that rabble rouser in public. You don't want to go giving people ideas they shouldn't be considering!
     
  13. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    Thomas Jefferson didn't support Shays rebellion. He just thought that the rebels were misguided rather than evil. He urged gentleness towards them --trying to convince them of the wrongness of their actions, and if it came to violence, give the surviving rebels pardons rather than hang them as traitors.

    But others of the Founding Fathers had a different mindset as to how to treat scofflaws and would be revolutionaries against the United States government.

    Consider these quotes:

    Quotes regarding Shays` Rebellion.

    By George Washington
    What a triumph for the advocates of despotism, to find that we are incapable of governing ourselves and that systems founded on the basis of equal liberty are merely ideal and fallacious.


    By Samuel Adams
    Rebellion against a king may be pardoned, or lightly punished, but the man who dares to rebel against the laws of a republic ought to suffer death.

    Cite:https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h363.html
     
  14. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    An enhanced background check for extremist views and support for criminal activity or terrorism ( including domestic terrorism under the guise of "right wing patriotism") should be done for:

    1--Some NFA weapons, such as machine guns and destructive devices.

    2-- A gun carry permit in those jurisdictions that are "may-issue" and discretionary.


    3-- any permit to buy or possess explosives --whether for mining or industrial use or to be engaged in the business of selling explosives.

    4-- any person working with commercial heavy passenger transport aircraft, either as a pilot or a mechanic or a baggage handler. Anybody who has access to the secure areas of the airport should have to undergo extra tight screening.

    5-- any person who has a truck drivers' license and whatever endorsements or special permits are needed to haul explosives or very deadly poisons .


    6-- any person who would possess extremely deadly poisons, the kind which could poison the entire water system for a city or county if it were introduced into the water pipes or the local reservoir.
     
  15. Craftsman

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    I'll agree to allow the state to limit your rights based on "extreme" viewpoints if I get to define "extreme".
     
  16. Nemo

    Nemo Man of Myth and Legend

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    Yep. The bend part was accurate.

    Nemo
     
  17. GeorgiaGlocker

    GeorgiaGlocker Romans 10:13

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    I thought that most social media passwords were lost in a terrible boating accident.
     
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    You posted on a gun forum. You could be considered an extremist depending on which cop was reviewing your accounts.

    It's never good to say "I support **** for them, but not for me."
     
  20. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    What are extremist views? Who defines them? When does free thought and free speech morph into extremism or is it even possible in a "free" society?