[Savvy Jack]

Do they even have a right to "search" us without RAS?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Ame ... nstitution

on another note:

Fed appeals court says refusal to identify no cause for arrest
Saturday, Apr 5, 2008

http://web.archive.org/web/200806131951 ... 45838.html

 

[rdeschain]

I'm guessing that it will be argued to be similar to sobriety checkpoints, which the Supreme Court upheld.

 

[CountryGun]

"Savvy Jack" Do they even have a right to "search" us without RAS?

Seems they've decided to make 100% of the flying public suspect, and they're not going to budge. I'm sure court cases will be forthcoming, but unless legislators disband the TSA, I don't see much changing.

I don't know who posted it recently, but they suggested that next we'll be searched to cross state lines, or drive over bridges. How much more can anybody take?

 

[Fallschirmjäger]

They're going to say it's "voluntary", you volunteered for the screening when you made the decision to purchase a ticket. "You can always walk, drive, swim, charter a private jet, or take a hot air balloon, no one's 'forcing' you to take a commercial airliner."

 

[zetor]

Nine years ago everybody was on board to do WHATEVER it took to prevent another 9-11 scenario.
Now not so much...........
What changed?

 

[rdeschain]

Nine years ago everybody was on board to do WHATEVER it took to prevent another 9-11 scenario.
Now not so much...........
What changed?

We got tired of watching Grandma forced out of her wheelchair so they could grab her crotch.

I don't care where you fall on the dimension of liberty vs security; you're getting neither.

 

[zetor]

Nine years ago everybody was on board to do WHATEVER it took to prevent another 9-11 scenario.
Now not so much...........
What changed?

We got tired of watching Grandma forced out of her wheelchair so they could grab her crotch.

I don't care where you fall on the dimension of liberty vs security; you're getting neither.

That's the popular sentiment at the moment it seems.

 

[CountryGun]

Nine years ago everybody was on board to do WHATEVER it took to prevent another 9-11 scenario.
Now not so much...........
What changed?

We got tired of watching Grandma forced out of her wheelchair so they could grab her crotch.

:righton: And,..... when people get tired of watching strangers feeling up their children, and not being able to explain to a four year old why that happened.

 

[budder]

Nine years ago everybody was on board to do WHATEVER it took to prevent another 9-11 scenario.
Now not so much...........
What changed?

Not much. The TSA just isn't doing anything. The money is better used elsewhere.

 

[zetor]

Nine years ago everybody was on board to do WHATEVER it took to prevent another 9-11 scenario.
Now not so much...........
What changed?

Not much. The TSA just isn't doing anything. The money is better used elsewhere.

Where is it better spent? Is it better spent in something other than in a security capacity?

 

[zetor]

Nine years ago everybody was on board to do WHATEVER it took to prevent another 9-11 scenario.
Now not so much...........
What changed?

We got tired of watching Grandma forced out of her wheelchair so they could grab her crotch.

:righton: And,..... when people get tired of watching strangers feeling up their children, and not being able to explain to a four year old why that happened.

Automatic WIN by default of children being groped.

Grandma having her crotch probed was ALMOST a win, but 41 mag really put the nail in the coffin.
I don't know what the heck I was thinking. Heck that was 9 years ago anyway. They are probably just as wishy washy as us and are probably dedicated to some other cause by now anyway.

 

[dam294]

Where is it better spent? Is it better spent in a security capacity?

Maybe looking for actual terrorists instead of pocket knives and cigarette lighters. The TSA's approach is completely flawed.

 

[zetor]

Where is it better spent? Is it better spent in a security capacity?

Maybe looking for actual terrorists instead of pocket knives and cigarette lighters. The TSA's approach is completely flawed.

What about box cutters?

 

[dam294]

Where is it better spent? Is it better spent in a security capacity?

Maybe looking for actual terrorists instead of pocket knives and cigarette lighters. The TSA's approach is completely flawed.

What about box cutters?

It never occurred to me before, but in 1998 I flew from Atlanta to Mumbai India. In my carry on was a Leatherman multi-tool complete with wire cutters, pliers, a 3" blade, and screwdrivers. I missed an opportunity to disassemble that plane in mid flight. :sly:

 

[RIA45]

This TSA crap has gone too far. What steps can we do take to turn this around?

 

[Adam5]

The TSA is a complete failure. They have not stopped anything from happening and they know it. The are not even trying to be proactive, they are being 100% reactive.

Richard Reed try to set off a shoe bomb on a flight. OK you now have to remove your shoes to go through security.

Someone tried to mix liquids to explode on a flight. OK no more liquids over 3oz on a flight.

All they are doing is waiting for things to happen and the react to them.

When was the last time that a child, elderly person or white middle aged man tried to blow up a US plane? What are they getting scrutinized at airports?

 

[zetor]

The TSA is a complete failure. They have not stopped anything from happening and they know it. The are not even trying to be proactive, they are being 100% reactive.

Richard Reed try to set off a shoe bomb on a flight. OK you now have to remove your shoes to go through security.

Someone tried to mix liquids to explode on a flight. OK no more liquids over 3oz on a flight.

All they are doing is waiting for things to happen and the react to them.

When was the last time that a child, elderly person or white middle aged man tried to blow up a US plane? What are they getting scrutinized at airports?

Well apparently, we are over reacting by "feeling up children" instead of being proactive by realizing that Ahab will eventually try this with kids or any other sacred loop hole such as granny's crotch.
Ahab may even have white followers.....*GASP!*

 

[fflintlock]

Nahhhh, never mind,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I just refuse to fly.

 

[rdeschain]

The TSA is a complete failure. They have not stopped anything from happening and they know it. The are not even trying to be proactive, they are being 100% reactive.

Richard Reed try to set off a shoe bomb on a flight. OK you now have to remove your shoes to go through security.

Someone tried to mix liquids to explode on a flight. OK no more liquids over 3oz on a flight.

All they are doing is waiting for things to happen and the react to them.

When was the last time that a child, elderly person or white middle aged man tried to blow up a US plane? What are they getting scrutinized at airports?

Well apparently, we are over reacting by "feeling up children" instead of being proactive by realizing that Ahab will eventually try this with kids or any other sacred loop hole such as granny's crotch.
Ahab may even have white followers.....*GASP!*

I'll take those chances. If a nutjob wants to try to kill a lot of Americans, there are a lot easier ways to do it than sneaking nailclippers past the TSA.

 

[CoffeeMate]

The AMERICANS on the Pennsylvania flight knew what to do... Kill 'dem sum'b#tch#s!

The TSA, not so much. In a manner similar to gun control advocates, the TSA's solution is to degrade, oppress and harass the people they're supposed to be protecting.