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I have mentioned Strauss and Howe here before and generational theory.

This is a 2 part article that I do think has many things to think about.

Part 1:
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/11/19/grey-champion-assumes-command-part-one/

If you want to know what kind of president Trump will be, look to his equals at this generational point in time:









Seeing that liberty was not Trump's cry, I do not suspect he will be like the first guy above. More like the others below him.

Strauss and Howe wrote their prophetic tome two decades ago. Their prognostications have played out exactly as they prophesied. They did not know which events or which people would catalyze this Fourth Turning. But they knew the mood change in the country would be driven by the predictable generational alignment which occurs every eighty years.
"Soon after the catalyst, a national election will produce a sweeping political realignment, as one faction or coalition capitalizes on a new public demand for decisive action. Republicans, Democrats, or perhaps a new party will decisively win the long partisan tug of war. This new regime will enthrone itself for the duration of the Crisis. Regardless of its ideology, that new leadership will assert public authority and demand private sacrifice. Where leaders had once been inclined to alleviate societal pressures, they will now aggravate them to command the nation's attention. -- Strauss and Howe
For those on high over Trump's victory, do enjoy. The honeymoon will end shortly.

Linear thinking pundits, politicians, businessmen, bankers, bureaucrats, and citizens fail to grasp the cyclical nature of history. They think themselves progressives, falsely believing humanity and history move forward in a straight line. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is why they throw hissy fits when their predictions and beliefs are thrown into disarray by events and mood changes in the country.
A lot more to chew on at the link above... but wanted to throw this last part in here for a quick statement:

In most cases the Grey Champions are not revered or glorified until decades after the Crisis is resolved. Lincoln was and still is despised by just about everyone living south of the Mason Dixon line. Outraged businessmen attempted to convince Smedley Butler to lead a coup against FDR. Large swaths of Americans believe he is responsible for creating our welfare state and the unfunded liabilities which are playing a large part in this current fourth turning. The unintended consequences of decisions made in previous Fourth Turnings often become the catalysts for the next crisis.
So.... Trump supporters, get over it that other people are going to despise him. This is going to happen for a very very long time. People will forget about Bush and Obama, but Trump will be cursed for generations to come from those that never knew him.
 

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Part 2
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/11/20/grey-champion-assumes-command-part-two/

In an increasingly chaotic world, normal working class Americans in flyover country were seeking a leader who could bring order, defeat the corrupt establishment, make tough decisions, and capture the zeitgeist of this moment in history. The ruling elite oligarchs and their fawning minions, occupying their strongholds in New York, California, Illinois, and D.C., are infuriated the peasants have dared to resist. In their secretive secure spaces, the elites are plotting with one purpose in mind - this uprising must be quelled.

They are now fanning the flames of discontent, funding professional protestors, and convincing the useful idiot college student millennials, Trump is dangerous to their future. It seems these mathematically challenged snowflakes have already forgotten about the $10 trillion of national debt and $1 trillion of student loan debt loaded on their backs by the Obama administration in the last 8 years.
You can ignore the day to day gyrations, as the three core elements of this Crisis - debt, civic decay, global disorder - will produce a chain reaction implosion during Trump's reign of power. The national debt is on automatic pilot to breach $1 trillion per year for as far as the eye can see. A $1 trillion infrastructure plan, rebuilding the military, building walls, massive tax cuts, trade wars and no spending cuts are a recipe for fiscal disaster.
Rather than rolling out his grand vision, Trump will be dealing with a financial crisis which will make 2008 look like a walk in Central Park. Will he follow the same failed policies used after 2008 - NIRP, QE, and saving Wall Street at the expense of Main Street?

Or will he level with the American people, allow Wall Street banks to go bankrupt, let the free market purge the system of trillions in bad debt, tackle the unfunded entitlement liabilities, and have Americans endure a Depression in order to reset our economic system? It will take a Grey Champion with a high level of moral fortitude and courage to demand such sacrifice from the citizens of this country.
Are you ready to "let go of your stuff" boomers?

Lincoln and FDR have many detractors, but during their Fourth Turnings, they most certainly led, casting aside impediments (often illegally), initiating conflict and enduring many dark days, with bleak prospects for a successful resolution. But they forged on despite the setbacks, failures, and tragedies. Both died on the doorstep of victory. Those of a libertarian bent, thinking Trump will restore Constitutional rights, will be disappointed, as he is likely to strengthen and expand government control of our economy, healthcare system, speech and communications.
(I did my best to only capture a minimum amount of quotes in which to convey the article. Both articles are reads that will require a few minutes of your time.)
 

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Thanks. We will come back and read this time to time to see how the thrill up your leg is working out. You didn't read the articles did you? It is not an anti-Trump piece. But please, do not let that stop you from making assumptions.

Most of what might happen, would have happened if Hillary was elected as well. The financial collapse is inevitable.
 

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If you want to know what kind of president Trump will be, look to his equals at this generational point in time:
I don't have a crystal ball and neither do Strauss nor Howe. Their theories haven't been met with unanimous acclaim. And that's all they are - theories which seem to make some sense based on history. But they aren't fail safe predictors of the future.

If I want to know what kind of President Trump will make, I'll wait to see who he fills his administration with and what he actually does. Pissing in the wind doesn't cut it.
 

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Most of what might happen, would have happened if Hillary was elected as well. The financial collapse is inevitable.
I believe more would have happened under Hillary and not for the best. But I will agree that the financial bubble is going to burst and it's neither Hillary's nor Trump's fault. A 19,000 Dow? Based on hot air and nearly zero interest rates?
 

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I hope Trump is not an FDR, but I have my fears. Look what Bush and Obama have done before him, scary crap
 

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This was not a decisive or sweeping victory was it? I mean Hillary won the popular vote? The electoral college votes in some States went to Trump by a narrow margin.

I think when all the illegal's anchor babies start voting then the landslide will be for a globalist anti 2nd Amendment and anti American sovereignty demagogue to step in.
 

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Those here who supported Hillary overtly and covertly ( Trump bashers and Johnson supporters), spouting predictions and warnings etc remind me of all the talking heads who still have jobs after their miserable prognostications.

 

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Those here who supported Hillary overtly and covertly ( Trump bashers and Johnson supporters)
Complete stupidly. Absolutely unworthy of intelligent response.
 

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I don't have a crystal ball and neither do Strauss nor Howe. Their theories haven't been met with unanimous acclaim. And that's all they are - theories which seem to make some sense based on history. But they aren't fail safe predictors of the future.

If I want to know what kind of President Trump will make, I'll wait to see who he fills his administration with and what he actually does. Pissing in the wind doesn't cut it.
They do not claim to have a crystal ball. They cannot predict the who and when. They can only look to the cyclic nature of history for insight into how history might repeat itself, with the plot always changing.

Your theories have not garnered unanimous acclaim either.

He is filling his administration with rivals. Just like Lincoln. He isn't looking for "yes" men, he's looking for what his frienemies will do. (I do not know if frienemies is a word, but it is my take on the saying of keeping friends close and enemies closer. Keep your enemy-friends even closer.)

20 Trillion in debt by the time Obama leaves office, the middle east still wanting to abandon the petrodollar, boomers coming of age to tax the healthcare system beyond its capabilities, the divisions between the haves and have nots, and finally social security entitlements. I do not need a crystal ball to see what is coming either.

EJR posted a thread where it blamed the American left's problem on the fact that they have never seen major war, markets without food, or people rounded up and put in internment camps, and that THAT WAS THE PROBLEM. No worries, it is coming soon. And we are about to depend on the millennials to save our bacon.

Some people are paying attention and some people are still having thrills up their legs still trying to insult those that did not vote for their savior. Nemo, you are NO DIFFERENT than the Obama voter who just thought everything is going to be fixed now. Heck, you don't even need to worry about your rent anymore! :rotfl:
 

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I hope Trump is not an FDR, but I have my fears. Look what Bush and Obama have done before him, scary crap
How can we know? Trump has no record what-so-ever to go on.

Just his ego and statements.

All I can say for sure is that it is going to be Yuge!
 

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But I will agree that the financial bubble is going to burst and it's neither Hillary's nor Trump's fault. A 19,000 Dow? Based on hot air and nearly zero interest rates?
As the article asks, will Trump makes us deal with it, or will he kick the can and continue the current status quo that will of course be pushed upon him by his advisors?

I think he will make us deal with it. That is why I think the middle class is about to take it on the chin. Especially boomers and millennials.
 

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Years ago I expected that when the money ran out things would actually get better. Then the gov found that they can create all the money they want.

A killer for folks and other savers like me who expected to be drawing 50 to 80K dollars a year on interest instead of nearly nothing.

From the looks of other countries history with heavy debt, we've got another 30 years, maybe more before doing a reset on the money system.
 

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From the looks of other countries history with heavy debt, we've got another 30 years, maybe more before doing a reset on the money system.
Less than a decade. I am pretty sure under Trump's presidency.
 

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A killer for folks and other savers like me who expected to be drawing 50 to 80K dollars a year on interest instead of nearly nothing.
I feel bad for folks like you. You labored and tucked away the fruits of your labors for another day only to be robbed of it. You would have been better off spending your cash on commodities that would help you through tough times vs paper wealth.

On the flip side, I do not not. Voting major party brought us here. Failing to stand for liberty as the first most important thing over stuff and being the world's tough guy got us here.

Time to own your vote.
 

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They do not claim to have a crystal ball. They cannot predict the who and when. They can only look to the cyclic nature of history for insight into how history might repeat itself, with the plot always changing.
Their supposed theories should be taken with a (big) grain of salt just based on those two terms alone.
 

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Your theories have not garnered unanimous acclaim either.
I've never proposed any theories on how a Trump presidency might turn out. All I have ever said is time will determine how good or bad his administration turns out. That doesn't require any sort of acclaim, unanimous or otherwise.
 

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20 Trillion in debt by the time Obama leaves office, the middle east still wanting to abandon the petrodollar,...the divisions between the haves and have nots,...I do not need a crystal ball to see what is coming either.
It doesn't make you omniscient either to read today's headlines.
 

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...boomers coming of age to tax the healthcare system beyond its capabilities,...and finally social security entitlements. I do not need a crystal ball to see what is coming either.
Our healthcare system is not being pushed beyond its capabilities because of any group coming of age. Its problems have arisen strictly because of our government not enforcing federal law that been on the books for 100 years. This my comment in post #54 in the "Crow Eating" thread:

He's the head of the Executive branch, the enforcement arm of the federal government.

He doesn't need the Legislative branch or the Judicial branch or any new laws to enforce 15 USC Chapter 1 (Sherman Antitrust Act, Clayton Antitrust Act, Robinson-Patman Anti-Price Discrimination Act, etc) against the "medical industry." He can impose felony criminal penalties (against individuals) and fines (against individuals and firms) for engaging in trade restraint, price fixing, forms monopolies, import restraints, etc.
As far as Social Security goes, the SS trust funds would be fine if the government would stop appropriating almost all of them for other purposes and stop handing SS out to those illegals who have never paid one cent into it.
 
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