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Discussion in 'Off-topic Political' started by Ken1961, Nov 10, 2016.

  1. Schweisshund

    Schweisshund Well-Known Member

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    I cannot verify it, but I have seen the article posted on a friend's fb wall and he is an NRA instructor.
     

  2. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    Why not actually repeal some of these terrible laws?
     
  3. GAfirearmsReference

    GAfirearmsReference Weapons Law Booklet

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    which are Trump's

    Which of these proposals came from Trump, rather than the NRA and which Trump deferred to?

    The ideas that he personally championed with his own mouth, in front of cameras, on the campaign trail, are ones that I expect him to carry out, to the best of his ability (remember, he'll be Predident, not Dictator. We still have Congress whose job is to make and amend and repeal legislation).

    1.) concealed carry (with a license or permit). He said he's in favor of it. Now, did he say he's in favor of mandatory reciprocity, imposed by the federal government over the objection of liberal states like NY and NJ and MA? I don't recall. Does anyone know?

    I think Congress COULD use the "commerce clause" power, combined with the 2A, to mandate reciprocity for persons engaging in interstate travel for business or pleasure, for a limited time, but certainly longer than "just passing through." Visiting a state as a tourist or to visit friends and family there is still interstate travel, and such persons usually cannot qualify for a State-issued permit in that state they're visiting, so here's a situation ripe for federal intervention. Even if the "visit" is for two weeks rather than two hours of nonstop driving.

    2.) ending the federal gun ban on military bases. Yeah, Trump said this was something he thought was ridiculous. He said he'd put an end to that. And he can, both through and Executive Order AND through an order he issues as Commander In Chief.


    Is there anything else Trump has said he'd do, if he were elected?
     
  4. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Why not use their powers to enforce the 14th Amendment, when states are denying fundamental constitutional rights?

    Amendment XIV, Section 5

    "The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

    We do not have to further undermine the constitution by expanding the Commerce Clause beyond all recognition.

    Just use the 14th Amendment. States denying the right to bear arms is one of the very reasons that the 14th Amendment was written and ratified.
     
  5. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    http://www.guncite.com/journals/senhal14.html
     
  6. GAfirearmsReference

    GAfirearmsReference Weapons Law Booklet

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    Because the courts will probably not find any "fundamental right" to travel with a loaded and accessible gun, or carry one away from one's vehicle in public spaces, without a permit.

    And a visitor to NJ will be a person without any permit-- since any other state's permit would be unrecognized there. Null and void. As if it didn't exist.

    Therefore, we need to tie this federal intrusion into a State's business (the regulation of weapons carry, including licensing issues) into some more specific grant of power than just the 2A, incorporated and applied to the states through the 14th.

    That's where the commerce clause comes in.

    Besides, leftists love expanding the commerce clause and using it for everything.

    Congress and progressive-oriented judges think of the Commerce Clause regarding legislation the same way Southerners think of frying in oil regarding food. They always go together, and you can never go wrong taking that approach.
     
  7. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    How much does Trump even know about the Constitution?
     
  8. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Well, Obama was a constitutional law professor, and . . .
     
  9. Marine6212

    Marine6212 Active Member

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    Would this apply to civil service employees?
     
  10. UtiPossidetis

    UtiPossidetis American

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    Touche'
     
  11. Phil1979

    Phil1979 Member Georgia Carry

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    Anything else?

    Well, in the same sentence where he said he'd get rid of the ban on carrying at military bases, he also stated no more gun-free zones at schools.

    While he cannot directly affect state law on this, he sure can pound the bully pulpit and tell governors to get with the liberty program.

    He can encourage state legislatures to pass good campus carry bills.


     
  12. RebSoldier21

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    :applause:
     
  13. JiG

    JiG Awaiting censure

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    And that makes Trump ok how?
     
  14. Phil1979

    Phil1979 Member Georgia Carry

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    Maybe he'll read the Constitution more like a regular guy than a Constitutional lawyer?


     
  15. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    The president (whoever that may be) is a jack-of-all-trades and a master-of-none. He's only as good as the people he surrounds himself with in defining and implementing national policy.

    I don't need or want Wayne LaPierre as president.
     
  16. Verbal101

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  17. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    Obama studied the Constitution and case law to find ways to subvert the Constitution, there is a big difference