Trump Anti-2A?

"stop -and - frisk" is supposed to be a term that applies to what cops do AFTER they have already observed (or been told) enough information about a person that the cops ALREADY have "reasonable suspicion" that the person is a criminal, and that a deadly weapon or stolen property or other contraband is contained in that person's clothing or what he or she is carrying.

"Stop and Frisk" is not (not supposed to be) just stopping people willy-nilly on a bare hunch, or herding people through metal detectors en masse in public places.

If Trump supports THAT sort of stop-and-frisk, it's much more of a 4TH AMENDMENT violation than a 2nd Amd. one (since Trump supports the right to carry with a license, and thinks regular private citizens should be able to get handgun carry permits).

 

When Donald Trump says he wants to catch people carrying guns on the streets, I think and assume he means ILLEGAL GUNS, carried by people who are already breaking the law by carrying without any permit or license.

Here's a cut-and-paste on the subject of weapons carry permits from Trump's own website:

NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY. The right of self-defense doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway. That’s why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states. A driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state. If we can do that for driving – which is a privilege, not a right – then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights

 

Trump was referring to the epidemic of black on black crime specifically in cities like Chicago. And with reasonable suspicion. He wasn't referring to a general national policy in complete violation of the 4th Amendment.

But nice misdirection there!

 

So your going to vote for kiliary because third party sounds great but not going to win.

 

And everyone knows the 4th Amendment doesn't apply in Chicago.

 

Wow. First CC candidate that admits to such that I can think of in like ever and you're trying to convince people he's anti-2A. Just...Wow!

If you truly want anarchy then my suggestion is to vote for Hillary. Sure, first you get more dictatorial level executive action, but that is likely to lead to a breakdown of the federal government and possible open revolt. That would in turn likely lead to the anarchy that some here seem to actually advocate in all but name.

 

I have already pointed this out, numerous times, in another thread, and was told I wasn't able to do simple math.

 

Like most politicians, he approves of guns for himself...

"When I said that if, within the Orlando club, you had some people with guns, I was obviously talking about additional guards or employees"
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 20, 2016

 

Please report back what you find.

 

Didn't some court in NYC end their S&F policy? Something about some couple amendments to something or other?

Nemo

 

Trump often speaks on things that he knows very little about. His knowledge is thin on just about everything, think Newsweek or Time magazine knowledge, maybe less, like FB or USA Today articles. He doesn't know the Constitution, nor does he seem to want to know it. Trump speaks and then backtracks all the time. He is trying to backtrack now. Trump learns by just blurting stuff out. It is the way his campaign has gone. However, does anyone think that Trump is going to direct police depts across the country on Terry stops? Does Trump even think it?

It's not a serious question, that Trump is or is not better than Hillary on the 2A. Trump isn't great, he could still stumble, but he is better on this issue than Hillary. He will certainly be better, has to be, than Hillary, on SCOTUS picks. Yes, it's a hope only, but it's a more valid hope, than a Hillary set of picks.

One of these folks will be president on Nov. 9th. There is no way to get around that fact.

 

Savannah is probably top of the list for cities like that in Georgia. They have a shooting just about every day there now. I don't even like going past Pooler anymore.

 

Let's roll our minds back to September of 2008. Let's imagine what this discussion would be like if the news story was, "Chicago community organizer candidate for President Barack Obama announced his support for 'Stop and Frisk' in any city in the nation that is experiencing a large amount of black-on-black crime."

Can you honestly tell me that you wouldn't be in this thread ripping him to shreds?

Vote for who you want. I'm not trying to discourage you from voting for whomever you desire. But the blinders that so many Trump supporters have on with regards to his obvious liberal leanings is astounding. All I'm asking (and I imagine all EJR is asking) is that you recognize what you're voting for. Trump claims support for the 2A, but then publicly supports an anti-2A, anti-4A measure like "Stop and Frisk".