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Inside the Federal Bureau Of Way Too Many Guns
By Jeanne Marie Laskas

There's no telling how many guns we have in Americaâ€"and when one gets used in a crime, no way for the cops to connect it to its owner. The only place the police can turn for help is a Kafkaesque agency in West Virginia, where, thanks to the gun lobby, computers are illegal and detective work is absurdly antiquated. On purpose. Thing is, the geniuses who work there are quietly inventing ways to do the impossible...
a lot more at the above link
 

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Yeah a LOT more.

A few of my thoughts:

1-- it's good that the trace system is slow and burdensome.
That way the cops will only use the database when absolutely necessary.

2-- Barak Obama is an idiot for demanding all found guns be traced. Is he really so stupid to think they all NEED to be traced? How about when the shooter was caught at the scene red-handed? Or the homeowner's stolen gun that was taken in a burglary a few days ago is found, and the burglary victim had recorded the SN and later positively unentifies it?

Do all those "suicide" guns get traced, too? Suicide by gun is 20x more common than murder by gun.

3-- or maybe Obama is really smart. He overloads the ATF office with B.S. trace requests in order to later complain that we need a 24/7 computerized gun registry and tracking of all subsequent sales and gift transfers. In the name of efficiency, you know.

4-- notice that the ATF agents never hear when their traces lead to an innocent first-retail-purchaser who sold or traded the gun years ago, and is not suspected of anything.
This article makes it sound like all these guns were used in murders by the folks who bought them from the dealers and did the 4473.
We know that criminals almost never buy their own guns like that.
 

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Yeah a LOT more.

A few of my thoughts:

1-- it's good that the trace system is slow and burdensome.
That way the cops will only use the database when absolutely necessary.

2-- Barak Obama is an idiot for demanding all found guns be traced. Is he really so stupid to think they all NEED to be traced? How about when the shooter was caught at the scene red-handed? Or the homeowner's stolen gun that was taken in a burglary a few days ago is found, and the burglary victim had recorded the SN and later positively unentifies it?

Do all those "suicide" guns get traced, too? Suicide by gun is 20x more common than murder by gun.

3-- or maybe Obama is really smart. He overloads the ATF office with B.S. trace requests in order to later complain that we need a 24/7 computerized gun registry and tracking of all subsequent sales and gift transfers. In the name of efficiency, you know.

4-- notice that the ATF agents never hear when their traces lead to an innocent first-retail-purchaser who sold or traded the gun years ago, and is not suspected of anything.
This article makes it sound like all these guns were used in murders by the folks who bought them from the dealers and did the 4473.
We know that criminals almost never buy their own guns like that.
Regarding "Do all those "suicide" guns get traced, too? Suicide by gun is 20x more common than murder by gun."

Yes, more suicides by gun than murders by guns. Though not by a factor of 20.
Suicides and non-suicide gun deaths total around 30,000/year. Suicide by gun is about 20,000/year. Murder by gun is about 10,000/year.
Suicide by gun is 2x more common than murder by gun.

I've seen news articles on the internet about the need for "reasonable gun laws" so that suicides are reduced. Those articles admit that are there are twice as many suicides by firearm than murders. But the articles are concluding that reducing suicides through "reasonable gun laws" will save even more lives than will be saved by reducing murders through "reasonable gun laws".
That's why "gun violence" is now defined as both murders and suicides. In this case, saying "30,000 deaths because of gun violence" commands more anti-gunner sentiment than "10,000 murders because of guns". Numbers mean so much when grandstanding about the "epidemic of gun violence".
 

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Suicides and non-suicide gun deaths total around 30,000/year. Suicide by gun is about 20,000/year. Murder by gun is about 10,000/year.
Suicide by gun is 2x more common than murder by gun.
Homicide by gun is around 11k. Unlawful killings are around 8,500.

Significant? I think so. In a world where the anti's try and maximize the numbers using every trick possible, we must hold them to cold hard facts.
 
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