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And then there's this.

https://nationalfile.com/as-biden-b...at-claimed-hydroxychloroquine-is-ineffective/

One could only guess why they wouldn't share their data source. Maybe because it didn't actually support the published findings?

How many people died needlessly because of this?

Like lambs to the slaughter.
Read a little (well, actually, a lot) about Surgisphere Corporation.

https://www.the-scientist.com/features/the-surgisphere-scandal-what-went-wrong--67955

It sounds absurd that an obscure US company with a hastily constructed website could have driven international health policy and brought major clinical trials to a halt within the span of a few weeks . . .​
 

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Follow the money. Always ask "who benefits"? The FBI uses this approach as long as it does not involve important people.

I think there is a big business opportunity for doctors in the US to tout that they treat Covid.

My GP treats his patients by telling them to stay home and if they get really bad then hurry on to the hospital. I'll bet his own family does not get this same advice.

I do have a nice stash of ivermectin and hydroxy. But the plan is to not catch Covid. And keep an eye on non-US approved worldwide Covid treatment results.
 

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Ivermecting. Looks most interesting.

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https://gatesofvienna.net/2021/02/31-reasons-why-i-wont-take-the-vaccine/

31 Reasons Why I Won't Take the Vaccine
The following list was created by the Israeli rabbi Chananya Weissman. Many thanks to MC for the tip.

1. It's not a vaccine. A vaccine by definition provides immunity to a disease. This does not provide immunity to anything. In a best-case scenario, it merely reduces the chance of getting a severe case of a virus if one catches it. Hence, it is a medical treatment, not a vaccine. I do not want to take a medical treatment for an illness I do not have.

2. The drug companies, politicians, medical establishment, and media have joined forces to universally refer to this as a vaccine when it is not one, with the intention of manipulating people into feeling safer about undergoing a medical treatment. Because they are being deceitful, I do not trust them, and want nothing to do with their medical treatment.

3. The presumed benefits of this medical treatment are minimal and would not last long in any case. The establishment acknowledges this, and is already talking about additional shots and ever-increasing numbers of new "vaccines" that would be required on a regular basis. I refuse to turn myself into a chronic patient who receives injections of new pharmaceutical products on a regular basis simply to reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a virus that these injections do not even prevent.

4. I can reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a virus by strengthening my immune system naturally. In the event I catch a virus, there are vitamins and well-established drugs that have had wonderful results in warding off the illness, without the risks and unknowns of this medical treatment.

5. The establishment insists that this medical treatment is safe. They cannot possibly know this because the long-term effects are entirely unknown, and will not be known for many years. They may speculate that it is safe, but it is disingenuous for them to make such a claim that cannot possibly be known. Because they are being disingenuous, I do not trust them, and I want no part of their treatment.

6. The drug companies have zero liability if anything goes wrong, and cannot be sued. Same for the politicians who are pushing this treatment. I will not inject myself with a new, experimental medical device when the people behind it accept no liability or responsibility if something goes wrong. I will not risk my health and my life when they refuse to risk anything.

7. Israel's Prime Minister has openly admitted that the Israeli people are the world's laboratory for this experimental treatment. I am not interested in being a guinea pig or donating my body to science.

8. Israel agreed to share medical data of its citizens with a foreign drug company as a fundamental part of their agreement to receive this treatment. I never consented for my personal medical data to be shared with any such entity, nor was I even asked. I will not contribute to this sleazy enterprise.

9. The executives and board members at Pfizer are on record that they have not taken their own treatment, despite all the fanfare and assurances. They are claiming that they would consider it unfair to "cut the line". This is a preposterous excuse, and it takes an unbelievable amount of chutzpah to even say such a thing. Such a "line" is a figment of their own imagination; if they hogged a couple of injections for themselves no one would cry foul. In addition, billionaires with private jets and private islands are not known for waiting in line until hundreds of millions of peasants all over the world go first to receive anything these billionaires want for themselves.

10. The establishment media have accepted this preposterous excuse without question or concern. Moreover, they laud Pfizer's executives for their supposed self-sacrifice in not taking their own experimental treatment until we go first. Since they consider us such fools, I do not trust them, and do not want their new treatment. They can have my place in line. I'll go to the very back of the line.
 

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11. Three facts that must be put together:
  • Bill Gates is touting these vaccines as essential to the survival of the human race.
  • Bill Gates believes the world has too many people and needs to be "depopulated".
  • Bill Gates, perhaps the richest man in the world, has also not been injected. No rush.
Uh, no. I'll pass on any medical treatments he wants me to take.

12. The establishment has been entirely one-sided in celebrating this treatment. The politicians and media are urging people to take it as both a moral and civic duty. The benefits of the treatment are being greatly exaggerated, the risks are being ignored, and the unknowns are being brushed aside. Because they are being deceitful and manipulative, I will not gamble my personal wellbeing on their integrity.

13. There is an intense propaganda campaign for people to take this treatment. Politicians and celebrities are taking selfies of themselves getting injected (perhaps in some cases pretending to get injected), the media is hyping this as the coolest, smartest, most happy and fun thing to do. It is the most widespread marketing campaign in history. This is not at all appropriate for any medical treatment, let alone a brand new one, and it makes me recoil.

14. The masses are following in tow, posting pictures of themselves getting injected with a drug, feeding the mass peer pressure to do the same. There is something very alarming and sick about this, and I want no part of it. I never took drugs just because "everyone's doing it" and it's cool. I'm certainly not going to start now.

15. Those who raise concerns about this medical treatment are being bullied, slandered, mocked, censored, ostracized, threatened, and fired from their jobs. This includes medical professionals who have science-based concerns about the drug and caregivers who have witnessed people under their charge suffering horrible reactions and death shortly after being injected. When the establishment is purging good people who risk everything simply to raise concerns about a new medical treatment - even if they don't outright oppose it - I will trust these brave people over the establishment every time. I cannot think of a single similar case in history when truth and morality turned out to be on the side of the establishment.

16. This is the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race.

17. It is purposely not being portrayed as the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race, and the fact that it is a medical experiment at all is being severely downplayed.

18. Were they up front with the masses, very few would agree to participate in such an experiment. Manipulating the masses to participate in a medical experiment under false pretenses violates the foundations of medical ethics and democratic law. I will not allow unethical people who engage in such conduct to inject me with anything.

19. The medical establishment is not informing people about any of this. They have become marketing agents for an experimental drug, serving huge companies and politicians who have made deals with them. This is a direct conflict with their mandate to concern themselves exclusively with the wellbeing of the people under their care. Since the medical establishment has become corrupted, and has become nothing more than a corporate and political tool, I do not trust the experimental drug they want so badly to inject me with.

20. We are being pressured in various ways to get injected, which violates medical ethics and the foundations of democratic society. The best way to get me not to do something is to pressure me to do it.
 

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21. The government has sealed their protocol related to the virus and treatments for THIRTY YEARS. This is information that the public has a right to know, and the government has a responsibility to share. What are they covering up? Do they really expect me to believe that everything is kosher about all this, and that they are concerned first and foremost with my health? The last time they did this was with the Yemenite Children Affair. If you're not familiar with it, look it up. Now they're pulling the same shtick. They didn't fool me the first time, and they're definitely not fooling me now.

22. The government can share our personal medical data with foreign corporations, but they won't share their own protocol on the matter with us? I'm out.

23. The establishment has recruited doctors, rabbis, the media, and the masses to harangue people who don't want to get injected with a new drug. We are being called the worst sort of names. We are being told that we believe in crazy conspiracies, that we are against science, that we are selfish, that we are murderers, that we don't care about the elderly, that it's our fault that the government continues to impose draconian restrictions on the public. It's all because we don't want to get injected with an experimental treatment, no questions asked. We are even being told that we have a religious obligation to do this, and that we are grave sinners if we do not. They say that if we do not agree to get injected, we should be forced to stay inside our homes forever and be ostracized from public life. This is horrific, disgusting, a perversion of common sense, morality, and the Torah. It makes me recoil, and only further cements my distrust of these people and my opposition to taking their experimental drug. How dare they?

24. I know of many people who got injected, but none of them studied the science in depth, carefully weighed the potential benefits against the risks, compared this option to other alternatives, was truly informed, and decided this medical treatment was the best option for them. On the contrary, they got injected because of the hype, the propaganda, the pressure, the fear, blind trust in what "the majority of experts" supposedly believed (assuming THEY all studied everything in depth and were completely objective, which is highly dubious), blind trust in what certain influential rabbis urged them to do (ditto the above), or hysterical fear that the only option was getting injected or getting seriously ill from the virus. When I see mass hysteria and cult-like behavior surrounding a medical treatment, I will be extremely suspicious and avoid it.

25. The drug companies have a long and glorious history of causing mass carnage with wonder drugs they thrust on unsuspecting populations, even after serious problems had already become known. Instead of pressing the pause button and halting the marketing of these drugs until these issues could be properly investigated, the drug companies did everything in their power to suppress the information and keep pushing their products. When companies and people have demonstrated such gross lack of concern for human life, I will not trust them when they hype a new wonder drug. This isn't our first rodeo.

26. Indeed, the horror stories are already coming in at warp speed, but the politicians are not the least bit concerned, the medical establishment is brushing them aside as unrelated or negligible, the media is ignoring it, the drug companies are steaming ahead at full speed, and those who raise a red flag continue to be bullied, censored, and punished. Clearly my life and my wellbeing are not their primary concern. I will not be their next guinea pig in their laboratory. I will not risk being the next "coincidence".

27. Although many people have died shortly after getting injected - including perfectly healthy young people - we are not allowed to imply that the injection had anything to do with it. Somehow this is anti-science and will cause more people to die. I believe that denying any possible link, abusing people who speculate that there might be a link, and demonstrating not the slightest curiosity to even explore if there might be a link is what is anti-science and could very well cause more people to die. These same people believe I am obligated to get injected as well. No freaking thanks.

28. I am repulsed by the religious, cult-like worship of a pharmaceutical product, and will not participate in this ritual.

29. My "healthcare" provider keeps badgering me to get injected, yet they have provided me no information on this treatment or any possible alternatives. Everything I know I learned from others outside the establishment. Informed consent has become conformed consent. I decline.

30. I see all the lies, corruption, propaganda, manipulation, censorship, bullying, violation of medical ethics, lack of integrity in the scientific process, suppression of inconvenient adverse reactions, dismissal of legitimate concerns, hysteria, cult-like behavior, ignorance, closed-mindedness, fear, medical and political tyranny, concealment of protocols, lack of true concern for human life, lack of respect for basic human rights and freedoms, perversion of the Torah and common sense, demonization of good people, the greatest medical experiment of all time being conducted by greedy, untrustworthy, godless people, the lack of liability for those who demand I risk everything… I see all this and I have decided they can all have my place in line. I will put my trust in God. I will use the mind He blessed me with and trust my natural instincts. Which leads to the final reason which sums up why I will not get "vaccinated."

31. The whole thing stinks.
 

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1. It's not a vaccine. A vaccine by definition provides immunity to a disease. This does not provide immunity to anything. In a best-case scenario, it merely reduces the chance of getting a severe case of a virus if one catches it. Hence, it is a medical treatment, not a vaccine.
I don't understand this one, and don't know why this was his "come-out roll." Depending on which vaccine you are talking about, they range in "effectiveness" from a little over 50% to over 90 %. By epidemiological standards, a vaccine is "effective" if it prevents the disease. So if a given vaccine is 85% effective, that means 85% of the people who take it will not get the disease. If he wants to disbelieve the manufacturer's claims, that's fine, but his saying it is not a vaccine when he seems to accept the manufacturer's data doesn't make sense.

It also does not make sense to call it a medical treatment, presumably because the other 15% (in my example above) may get the disease, but get a less severe case of it.
 

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The first two vaccines are really not by the legal definition of the word. Yes, it may be time for the definition to change.

J&J is a traditional one dose vax that stimulates the bodies immune system. The others cause the body to manufacture and flood itself with phony spike viruses that look like the covid. They don't prevent you catching covid, just make the symptoms easier. Somehow this is a good thing?

I'm waiting on the J&J unless it is just too far out, then I'll give in and take the 'magicRNA'.
 

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A vaccine is a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies. The various Covid 19 vaccines do exactly this. Hence, they are, indeed, vaccines. In the same paragraph 1, the author informs us that the vaccine "reduces the chance of getting a severe case" but fails to inform his readers that the reduction is down to zero, as in zero severe cases and deaths.

Some of the other claims are outright laughable.

Anybody who is in any category where this virus may be life threatening is a fool if they do not get the vaccine. If you are young and healthy and not fat, take your chances, as the odds of the virus being serious or fatal are about zero.

If I were obese or 80, I would definitely get the vaccine.
 

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26. Indeed, the horror stories are already coming in at warp speed, but the politicians are not the least bit concerned, the medical establishment is brushing them aside as unrelated or negligible, the media is ignoring it, the drug companies are steaming ahead at full speed, and those who raise a red flag continue to be bullied, censored, and punished. Clearly my life and my wellbeing are not their primary concern. I will not be their next guinea pig in their laboratory. I will not risk being the next "coincidence".
Horror stories?

27. Although many people have died shortly after getting injected - including perfectly healthy young people - we are not allowed to imply that the injection had anything to do with it. Somehow this is anti-science and will cause more people to die. I believe that denying any possible link, abusing people who speculate that there might be a link, and demonstrating not the slightest curiosity to even explore if there might be a link is what is anti-science and could very well cause more people to die. These same people believe I am obligated to get injected as well. No freaking thanks.
Somehow he forgot to list any examples of "perfectly healthy young people" (peeps is persons) who "died" shortly after getting the vaccine.

And here we are over a month into the vaccination process. More than 10% of Georgia's population has already been vaccinated. Where are all the dead bodies? Where are the "horror stories?"

MP mumbling something about "gullible conspiracy theorists who seize upon anything and have no ability to engage in critical thinking."
 

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I know I won't change anyone's mind. I am a member of another board and they've had two covid related deaths in the past week. All I'll say is, you made it this far, don't screw up this close to getting a vaccine. Your call.
 

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I know I won't change anyone's mind. I am a member of another board and they've had two covid related deaths in the past week. All I'll say is, you made it this far, don't screw up this close to getting a vaccine. Your call.
Board as in board of directors for a corporation or board like a discussion forum or board of commissioners or what?
 

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I don't understand this one, and don't know why this was his "come-out roll." Depending on which vaccine you are talking about, they range in "effectiveness" from a little over 50% to over 90 %. By epidemiological standards, a vaccine is "effective" if it prevents the disease. So if a given vaccine is 85% effective, that means 85% of the people who take it will not get the disease. If he wants to disbelieve the manufacturer's claims, that's fine, but his saying it is not a vaccine when he seems to accept the manufacturer's data doesn't make sense.

It also does not make sense to call it a medical treatment, presumably because the other 15% (in my example above) may get the disease, but get a less severe case of it.
What exactly is a vaccine and what is it supposed to do? Maybe the CDC knows.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm
Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person's immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.

Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.
It appears these mRNA COVID-19 vaccines aren't vaccines in the medical sense as described by the CDC. As I understand it they don't prevent you from getting infected nor do they prevent further transmission. And you don't acquire immunity.

What these mRNA vaccines do is alter your genetic coding, turning you into a viral protein factory that has no off-switch. They're really experimental gene therapies.

That sounds to me like medical fraud and it's being done on an unprecedented scale.
 

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What these mRNA vaccines do is alter your genetic coding, turning you into a viral protein factory that has no off-switch.
No, they don't do that at all. Where do you get this stuff?

I *wish* they did... that would be *amazing*. First off, *boom*, there goes cancer. Cured. All other genetic diseases, *presto*, vanished.

Need a higher ratio of fast-twitch muscle fiber to be more competitive in your sport? Not a problem... just use mRNA to rewrite the genome. Taller? sure. Shorter? Why not?

The ability to "alter your genetic coding" in vivo would be nothing less than godlike, real Doctor Moreau level stuff. The human form would be rendered malleable.

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The ability to "alter your genetic coding" in vivo would be nothing less than godlike, real Doctor Moreau level stuff. The human form would be rendered malleable.

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If it can change boobage quantity with a shot it would the discoverer richer than Bezos.

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No, they don't do that at all. Where do you get this stuff?
Do they follow the CDC's own definition of "vaccine" and "immunity" which has been around for decades and which all other vaccines actually adhere to?

If they don't, then what are they? If they don't adhere to the accepted medical definitions then they aren't what we're being told they are. We're being lied to. Does the CDC plan on changing its definitions?
 
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