Tired of Covid crap

Discussion in 'Off-topic' started by mountainman444, Sep 3, 2020.

  1. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Even Pfizer is saying Moderna's product is better for the elderly and persons with co-morbidities. Pfizer is positioning its product to be given to healthier and younger folks as long as Moderna cannot keep up with demand.
     
  2. HJB

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    Governor of Colorado is now walking back his stupid statement about prisoners getting vaccine before seniors.

    Gov. Polis says Colorado prisoners shouldn't get COVID-19 vaccine before free people (denverpost.com)

    “That won’t happen. There’s no way that prisoners are going to get it before members of a vulnerable population,” Polis told the reporter. “Now, as we (vaccinate people) 65 and up, I would think that would include prisoners that are in that category, but the vast majority of people 65 and up are free. It’ll first go to people in nursing homes, veterans’ facilities, front-line workers."

    Only 7 prisoners in Colorado have died from the Chinese virus. Only an idiot would prioritize them over good citizens and I think he finally figured that out....no matter what "the book" says !
     

  3. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    I'm sincerely looking forward to your unbiased report on the efficacy of whatever company's witches brew you decide to become a beta test site for. Even better would be a full report on any aftereffects several years hence. You know, the ones no one has any conception of at this time.
     
  4. Savannah Dan

    Savannah Dan Cross-drawer

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    Has anybody seen my car keys?
     
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  5. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    Along with their families and friends of legal voting age and residence. :righton:
     
  6. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    Is that not the inevitable result of people holding different viewpoints on various issues and topics? Yes, it can get heated at times but I haven't seen where anybody has completely lost control of their emotions. On the other hand, I sense there are some who would prefer that those who don't agree with them just STFU and not express themselves at all. How very democratic and inclusive. And this is the "Off Topic" forum.
     
  7. 45_Fan

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    This is exactly why so many people left. There is very little, if any, representation remaining here that is not conservative straight white males over 40 and that hurts our ability to further the 2A outside of an ever-shrinking box. The hostility here (especially in off-topic subjects where someone pro-2A posts a dissenting opinion on healthcare, immigration, politics, or religion) has driven off so many. It’s not just that opinions collide in off topic spaces and people go their own ways but that a blatant hostility spills back over into gun and 2A discussions where there isn’t even a difference of opinion and the non-straight, non-white, non-conservative, non-male non-40+ posters are hounded and run out.

    In this thread alone people with first hand knowledge and experience have been sneered at, had their intelligence questioned, or were basically called government patsies or obedient little sheep because they didn’t agree COVID-19 is a hoax. That’s not a difference of opinion, that’s a degrading way of communicating with others.
     
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  8. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    Do you, or anyone, have any demographics that support that? I'd posit that many people don't "get into" guns until they're somewhat older, regardless if they grew up around them. School, careers, families take precedence for many.

    I was a teen when I got my first gun. My kids grew up around guns but didn't acquire their own until later in life. My daughter at 38 five years ago when she lived in Memphis on her own. My son at 41 just this year.
     
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  9. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    That knife cuts both ways. People here have presented opposing opinions, maybe not of their own but of other people also with first hand knowledge and experience, and have been told told to shut up and listen to the "experts." I guess some experts are better than other experts. Even when they've been proven liars.
     
  10. Nemo

    Nemo Man of Myth and Legend

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    Experts are believable. When they are our experts. When yours, not so much.

    Nemo
     
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  11. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    A lot of straight white middle aged males left, too, but we used to have several females and black Georgians posting here regularly in the old days, along with several members of law enforcement.

    All gone.
     
  12. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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  13. Phil1979

    Phil1979 Member Georgia Carry

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    Well you can color me skeptical, not that I wasn't before, but Moe's chart sealed the deal double.
     
  14. Wegahe

    Wegahe NRA Instructor

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    So what you are trying to convince me of is that in the last 120 years no new methods, technologies or biology has been developed to shorten the amount of time required to examine a microbe and find a way to safely kill it within the human body? That's it??? Is this really all it takes for you to throw mud in the face of the anti virus?

    I have a problem for you...

    How many years did it take to actually put men on the moon the first time?

    How many years after that did it take to once again put men on the moon?

    Now I could be mistaken but I believe the amount of time from the first landing was give or take a fer million years until Armstrong walked on the moon in 1969. Then from 1969 to 1972 6 missions landed men on the moon. So the time got considerably shorter because of advancements in science and technology. So from a few million years to far less than 1. That's quite a time jump!!!!

    So you would have us believe science and technology can no way advance in other areas as well?
     
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  15. zetor

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    If you really believe we put a man on the moon..........:mrgreen:
     
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  17. Nemo

    Nemo Man of Myth and Legend

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    Yes, quite a time jump if you use an outlandish starting point, the creation of man. Using the same point for the moonshot you have a 60 year difference. Insignificant in a few million.

    Go from when a moonshot plan was realistically started. As in when (May 25, 1961) Kennedy stated he wanted it done in that decade. Apollo 11 landed on the Sea of Tranquility on 24 July 69. 8 years, 2 months time span.

    Nemo

    https://www.history.nasa.gov/moondec.html

    https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo.html
     
  18. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Mumps took only 4 years, but that is not on the chart.
     
  19. dhaller

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    The speed of vaccine development we're seeing here indeed benefits from new tech, like CRISPR, prime editing, advances in computing and modeling, etc. Two of the vaccines use a completely new vaccine technology, mRNA.

    It's also unprecedented in really being a fairly coordinated, global effort with a lot of open wallets around.

    Generally speaking, vaccine development is not very profitable for companies, so they don't focus on it; therapies are more profitable. I mean, no vaccine is ever going to be a cash cow for Pfizer like Viagra was. Now, companies have been incentivized financially so some of the downside risk is managed.

    Frankly, it's very impressive, and probably - as happens when you have a big project to solve a big problem - new techniques have been developed along the way which themselves will have effects way beyond covid: offhand, obviously, the mRNA viruses (we'll see more of those), advances in refrigeration and refrigerated packaging, advances in computer modeling of proteins, and even advances in logistics and supply-chain software and methodologies.

    For what it's worth, I'm a biochemist and a PhD biophysicist, and I'm looking at this rapid vaccine development and saying "cool!" Am I wary? Sure... new is new. But when I take my daughter to the playground, I usually wind up chatting with at least one other parent who's a CDC scientist or policy wonk (since I live in the neighborhood), and I feel pretty good about the pace of development.

    I'll be getting it as soon as it's available, and I will recommend as much to family members. I'm hoping to have a blowout Easter party with the fam and all the cousins (who next year will be in that Easter "sweet spot" of 6-9), with as little social distance as possible. Fingers crossed... but that's more about logistics at that point, not the technology.

    DH
     
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  20. HJB

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    It's nothing more than cycle time reduction that is used in all kinds of processes. 90% of cycle time of any process is nothing more than queues, holds, waits and re-work. Those things are due to having too many items in process at any one time. Reducing those, eliminating batching, and focus on one action in process can reduce that cycle time to its "entitlement" cycle time. You don't think it really takes the state 6-12 weeks to process a gun carry permit do you ? It probably takes less than a couple of hours, so if you identify one of them, focus and prioritize that item through all of the process, you could get it through in a few hours instead of a few months.

    I worked in all kinds of industries all over the world for over 25 years and we commonly saw the same magnitude reductions in processes all of the time.