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U.S. Border Patrol Agent Shoots, Kills Suspected Human Smuggler
Friday, August 10, 2007

EL PASO, Texas â€" A Border Patrol agent shot and killed a suspected smuggler at a fence that separates the U.S. and Mexico after the agent felt threatened by the man, authorities said Thursday.

Mexico criticized what it described as an "excessive use of force" against immigrants and demanded an investigation.

Jose Alejandro Ortiz Castillo, a 23-year-old man who had been caught crossing the border 28 times since 1999, died in Mexico shortly after the Wednesday night shooting, Border Patrol spokesman Doug Mosier said.

An unidentified agent spotted Ortiz apparently leading two men and a woman through a hole in the border fence just east of downtown El Paso. Ortiz, who was carrying bolt cutters, picked up a rock as the agent was arresting the woman, Mosier said.

Mosier said the agent "felt threatened by the actions of the assailant who was holding a rock and bolt cutters."

The agent fired several shots, hitting Ortiz "multiple times," Mosier said. It was the agent's first fatal shooting.

Marco Antonio Torres Moreno â€" public safety director in Ciudad Juarez, the city across the river from El Paso â€" said Ortiz was shot once in the chest and once in the right forearm.

The Mexican government demanded in a statement that "all the weight of the law be brought to bear against the person or persons responsible."

"The Mexican government expresses a firm protest against the use of lethal weapons in the face of situations that do not represent a proportionate risk," the Foreign Relations Department said.


Ortiz had been deported from the U.S. in 2004, Mosier said.

Jesus Castillo, 43, Ortiz's brother, initially acknowledged that his brother had worked as an immigrant smuggler. But after speaking to investigators, he said his brother worked in construction and occasionally crossed the border to look for work in El Paso.

"The only thing I know is that they shot him head on, as if he were an animal, and neither Mexican nor American authorities had the courtesy to notify me about it until noon," Castillo said.

Wednesday night's shooting is the fifth fatal shooting involving Border Patrol agents in border states this year, federal officials said.

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Why do we bow down to a foreign government that encourages its citizens to break our laws but expects no repurcussions when they are caught?

This makes me sick! Where's the wall? Build it high and build it long...it will save lives.
 

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Hold on now, nothing in the article says the US reacted to Mexicos BS in any way. And you can bet that if the officer was suspended or anything that the press would be all over it. I'll reserve judgment till I see more...
 

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If Mexico shot an American sneaking into Mexico, I'd expect the US to raise hell. And I'd fully expect Mexico to ignore US hell-raising.

I'm with USMC, I haven't seen where the .gov has reacted or otherwise began criminal proceedings against the agent.
 

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Here is the way it happened in my happy place.
This keeps me from getting really angry & breaking something at my desk.

U.S. Border Patrol Agent Shoots, Kills Suspected Human Smuggler
Friday, August 10, 2007

EL PASO, Texas â€" A Border Patrol agent shot and killed a suspected smuggler at a fence which guards that great big huge freaking wall Congress built last year that separates the U.S. and Mexico after the agent felt threatened by the man, authorities said Thursday.

Mexico criticized what it described as an "excessive use of force" against illegal immigrants and demanded an investigation. President Bush informed Mexico it was welcome to conduct all the investigation into illegal immigration into the United States that it wanted & please pass on the results of any such investigation and we would be happy to help "remove" the offenders. He then signed to the press that Presidente Calderón was "#1".

Jose Alejandro Ortiz Castillo, a 23-year-old criminal who had been caught illegally crossing the border 28 times since 1999, died in Mexico due to the horrible medical care he was afforded by his country shortly after the Wednesday night shooting, Border Patrol spokesman Doug Mosier said.

An unidentified agent spotted Ortiz apparently leading two men and a woman through a hole in the border fence just east of downtown El Paso. Ortiz, who was carrying bolt cutters, picked up a rock as the agent was arresting the woman, Mosier said.

Mosier said the agent "felt threatened by the actions of the assailant who was holding a rock and bolt cutters."

The agent fired several shots emptyed his mag, slapped a second one in & went through half of that before he felt Ortiz was under control, hitting Ortiz multiple times and then stating in a bad accent "Stupid mexican, bringing a rock to a gun fight," Mosier said. It was the agent's first fatal shooting. But we hope it won't be his last when it comes to human smugglers!

Marco Antonio Torres Moreno â€" public safety director in Ciudad Juarez, the city across the river from El Paso â€" said Ortiz was shot once in the chest and once in the right forearm. and 18 times in the head. The director was quoted as saying "Those darn border guards are a hell of a shot!

The Mexican government demanded in a statement that "all the weight of the law be brought to bear against the person or persons responsible." To which President Bush concurred and has gone before congress with a request to declare war on the country of Mexico. He was overheard to say something about "nuke & pave".

"The Mexican government expresses a firm protest against the use of lethal weapons in the face of situations that do not represent a proportionate risk," the Foreign Relations Department said. Various media outlets in the US have informed Mexico that "You guys really should shut the hell up because if we were to respond to the invasion of our country by illegal mexicans in an appropriate "proportional" manner you SOB's are going to quickly understand just what it means to piss off a Super Power that isn't run by a bunch of panty waisted liberals."

Ortiz had been deported from the U.S. in 2004, Mosier said. We were going to execute the man but we were feeling nice that day. Our mistake. It's been corrected.

Jesus Castillo, 43, Ortiz's brother, initially acknowledged that his brother had worked as an immigrant smuggler. But after speaking to investigators, he began lieing and said his brother worked in construction and occasionally crossed the border to look for work in El Paso.

"The only thing I know is that they shot him head on, as if he were an animal rather than shooting him in the back like the rabid animal he was? WTF?? and neither Mexican nor American authorities had the courtesy to notify me about it until noon," Castillo said. "I mean come on, he had a case of Corona in the fridge I could have been working on all morning. He always had the good beer after making delivering a shipment of illegals into America!"

Wednesday night's shooting is the fifth fatal shooting involving Border Patrol agents in border states this year, federal officials said. A representative for the BP agents stated "We're doing a good job but we feel we have a looooong way to go before these bastards get the idea that we aren't going to tolerate this crap any longer."
 

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M249 said:
If Mexico shot an American sneaking into Mexico, I'd expect the US to raise hell. And I'd fully expect Mexico to ignore US hell-raising.

I'm with USMC, I haven't seen where the .gov has reacted or otherwise began criminal proceedings against the agent.
I'm with the two of you. Let them complain all they want. We would do the same thing. If the US Gov. takes action against the agent we have good reason to complain. Until the, they are just doing the same thing that we would.
 

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"The Mexican government expresses a firm protest against the use of lethal weapons in the face of situations that do not represent a proportionate risk," the Foreign Relations Department said.[/b]
So the agent shouldve picked up a rock and threw it back?
 

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M249 said:
If Mexico shot an American sneaking into Mexico, I'd expect the US to raise hell. And I'd fully expect Mexico to ignore US hell-raising.

I'm with USMC, I haven't seen where the .gov has reacted or otherwise began criminal proceedings against the agent.
I'm with the two of you. Let them complain all they want. We would do the same thing. If the US Gov. takes action against the agent we have good reason to complain. Until the, they are just doing the same thing that we would.
We already do what the Mexican government wants. Remember the border agents that are now serving time for killing a drug runner? What's that all about.
 

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We already do what the Mexican government wants. Remember the border agents that are now serving time for killing a drug runner? What's that all about.
I was under impression that they got in trouble for not reporting and covering up the shooting rather than the actual shooting itself. Am I mistaken?

The BoP has completely failed in protecting them while in prison. That needs to be addressed immediately. Any time an LEO is convicted, they need to be protected, or perhaps a better solution is an LEO-only prison.
 

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I don't know, maybe that is the case. But you know darn well that the Mexican government has pamphlets showing people how to cross the border into the U.S. So far I haven't heard anyone from this country say a thing about it, let alone tell Mexico to knock it the hell off. I get really irate about this kind of stuff. If you don't want to get shot at...then don't threaten an officer...or break into a country illegally.
 

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I don't know, maybe that is the case. But you know darn well that the Mexican government has pamphlets showing people how to cross the border into the U.S. So far I haven't heard anyone from this country say a thing about it, let alone tell Mexico to knock it the hell off. I get really irate about this kind of stuff. If you don't want to get shot at...then don't threaten an officer...or break into a country illegally.
I do?
 

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Oh, I agree that the Mexican government enables illegal immigration, just as I'm aware how hypocritical they are. When one looks at Mexico's treatment of illegal immigrants it's hard to take Mexican complaints of mistreatment very seriously.

Mexico's economy is driven by remittances. That is probably the only thing keeping the present government afloat, so they must encourage the practice to stay in power.

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I wonder if our .gov turns a blind eye to illegal immigration due to another reason. Could it be that our .gov is afraid of the consequences of a Mexican civil war or revolution? They may actually believe unchecked illegal immigration is preferable to a destabilized Mexico. Of course, the result of this policy is stuff like http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292717,00.html
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The Mexican government demanded in a statement that "all the weight of the law be brought to bear against the person or persons responsible."


And that would be who? The Mexican government, of course. So, they are asking for themselves to be brought to justice? That's kinda dumb.
 

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M249 said:
Of course, the result of this policy is stuff like http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292717,00.html
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I think they should bring a law suit against the federal government highlighting the fact that they have laws on the books that would've prevented this but sit back and do nothing to enforce them.
 
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