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"Two agents (as well as the suspects) were killed, leading to a demand for more firepower for officers, who still typically carried the venerable .38-caliber Police Special. Those hold six bullets in a rotating cylinder that when empty has to be reloaded manually, one round at a time."

Any credibility that MIGHT have been contained in that article was completely lost by this one BS statement alone.

Another f***tard writing about something of which he knows squat.
 

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called a "parabellum," from the Latin slogan ("If you seek peace, prepare for war")
I didn't know that, though. The article was good for something.

Wonder what the author would think of my submachinegun?
 

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In the hands of a novice shooter, as NEWSWEEK's Raina Kelley discovered at a Connecticut gun range last week, it delivers a fearsome kick, which leads to anticipatory flinching, causing the barrel to drop and the shot to miss low.
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Malum Prohibitum said:
The dreaded "fearsome kick" of the mighty 9mm! :rotfl:
Not nearly as bad as that dreaded '.22mm" handgun that was mentioned in several of the early articles...
 

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I'd hardly call it fearsome, but I could see a small woman who (I'm assuming) has never shot a pistol before flinching with anything more than a .22 LR.
 

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Foul said:
"Two agents (as well as the suspects) were killed, leading to a demand for more firepower for officers, who still typically carried the venerable .38-caliber Police Special. Those hold six bullets in a rotating cylinder that when empty has to be reloaded manually, one round at a time."

Any credibility that MIGHT have been contained in that article was completely lost by this one BS statement alone.

Another f***tard writing about something of which he knows squat.
The 1986 Miami shootout showcased the shortcomings of the 9mm. The 115 gr Silvertips failed to stop the shooters. The agent had to finish the guy off with six shots of .38 spc. Every single argument the against the 9mm for SD always went back to this shooting. I guess he conviently" forgot" to include that the 9mm was involved in this shootout. This is the reason we have the 10mm and .40 S&W today folks.

Here is an article on the shooting from Wiki. Check out the links as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Miami_shootout%2C_1986
 

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hmm, I still occasionally jump from the sound of the gun firing... but I am getting better at it. Of course I am the person who jumps at fireworks too so not a good example.

I did find the meaning of the word parabellum interesting but other than that

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Virginia Tech.

9 is fine.
I am a 9mm man but.......

We know that 30+ died from a combo of .22 and 9mm. How many of these folks were instantly incapcitated? How many of them could have still put up a fight even though they were hit? We don't know that and to say that the 9 is fine is premature without data.
 

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It's not the size of the hole, it is where you place them,

You can shoot a man in the toe with a .22 or a .45, but it won't stop the fight.
 

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It's not the size of the hole, it is where you place them,

You can shoot a man in the toe with a .22 or a .45, but it won't stop the fight.
I understand that but what I am saying is how many of these people died from less accurate shot placement that bled to death because time ran out? How many of these people could have still been in the fight for a while? (If VT had gave them that option :evil: ) In my opinion, the 9mm is still not a gamma death ray, nor really is any handgun for that matter just because of the VT shooter.

I am just saying that is is premature to call off the caliber war when we don't know those things.
 

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Well, it does not stop a DEA agent from teaching a class - we know that much! :lol:
 
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