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Not when you can print all the money you want. And use it to stay in power.
 

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You can vote yourself into socialism, but it will take guns to get you out of socialism...
 

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You can vote yourself into socialism, but it will take guns to get you out of socialism...
hey are working on that to I think this whole capital thing is going to be footing to disarm the white supremacist republicans
 

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Just ask Venezuela how socialism has worked for the Venezuelan people since 1998.
 
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Just ask Venezuela how socialism has worked for the Venezuelan people since 1998.
oh I know how its going to work out, this is going to get ugly quick, between cashless bail, criminal justice reform, mounting debt, I watched in NY that place is a dump, buy silver, silver will be the winner in the end
 

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hey are working on that to I think this whole capital thing is going to be footing to disarm the white supremacist republicans
There has been massive non-compliance in those states that have implemented gun assault weapon registration over the years. Well, in that case, the commies will just switch to outright confiscation, right? Yeah. Good luck with that.
 

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There has been massive non-compliance in those states that have implemented gun assault weapon registration over the years. Well, in that case, the commies will just switch to outright confiscation, right? Yeah. Good luck with that.
your right there is massive non compliance but they also cant shoot them either, or defend themselves with them, so they hide them at home and hope there is no reason for police or fire to come into their house
 

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But who are the socialists, exactly?

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in my opinion, I believe it is the establishment, I believe there are those on both side who advocate policy that create it, AOC lol Bernie. most democrats these days are advocates for government control or there would be no reason to oppose firearms, it isn't our live they're worried about, obviously, the democrat cities prove that, the voting kids, they vote for free iPhones and college lol
 

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in my opinion, I believe it is the establishment, I believe there are those on both side who advocate policy that create it, AOC lol Bernie. most democrats these days are advocates for government control or there would be no reason to oppose firearms, it isn't our live they're worried about, obviously, the democrat cities prove that, the voting kids, they vote for free iPhones and college lol
The democrats are clever to offer free stuff. I mean, who doesn't want free stuff? It's appealing to human nature to get free stuff. Of course, it isn't free at all. Someone has to pay for it. But most people just do not comprehend that or just don't care.
 

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You can vote yourself into socialism, but it will take guns to get you out of socialism...
Having guns isn't an issue in the US. Having the will to use them against your enemy could be for some people.
 

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your right there is massive non compliance but they also cant shoot them either, or defend themselves with them, so they hide them at home and hope there is no reason for police or fire to come into their house
For self-defense purposes you're probably correct. As for practicing with them, who knows? A private range by invitation only. Your own property. Use a suppressor. People get creative. More important is that you have and maintain them.
 
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With all that has been posted above, and I am NOT naming the post above this one, but I get the impression that folks that are gullible enough to put faith in Google, Facebook, Apple, et all, will really be gullible enough to keep believing in such entities, (after already giving tons of money to such organizations, either directly or indirectly). Giving quarter to the enemy. Supporting your opponent. But they will. Because they have been lulled into such. Bless their hearts - they just don't know any better. I feel sorry for them, in a way. But I also loathe them. Because they are giving money to those who put us there. I won't call them idiots. I will just call them ignorant. If only they would open their minds and do a little research...
 

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For self-defense purposes you're probably correct. As for practicing with them, who knows? A private range by invitation only. Your own property. Use a suppressor. People get creative. More important is that you have and maintain them.
They sneak around which is pretty much what democrats want until they get caught 1 at a time is what they say felony in NY to posses a handgun without going through 18 months of colonoscopic background checks being a being a "may issue" state they initially deny and its up to you to litigate and assert your rights
 

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in my opinion, I believe it is the establishment, I believe there are those on both side who advocate policy that create it, AOC lol Bernie. most democrats these days are advocates for government control or there would be no reason to oppose firearms, it isn't our live they're worried about, obviously, the democrat cities prove that, the voting kids, they vote for free iPhones and college lol
That has nothing to do with socialism.

You don't have to "believe" what socialism is, because it's a specific, defined economic theory, specifically in which the community - not private owners or investors - own the "means of production" (basically the supply chain and the overall business infrastructure).

For example, here's what happens with guns in a socialist system:

People say "we need guns", so they decide to build a gun factory. Then they say "does anyone know how to build guns?" and a couple of people say "I do", so they start making guns. Then, the guns are distributed to everyone, who don't need to buy them because they *own the gun factory*. Now you have socialists with guns.

In the modern world, this process tends to need some degree of central management - *someone* has to get the factory built - and so socialist economies are centrally planned. Historically, the trend has been for authoritarian governments to manage centrally-planned economies, although they *could* theoretically be democratic or even anarchic (witness Christian monastic communities, which are bound by common ideology, in this case, religion).

The *problem* with socialism isn't public ownership - I mean, do you hate your neighborhood farmer's market? or your farming co-op? - but rather *central planning*, which by its nature (1) doesn't respond to information in the marketplace and (2) is anti-competitive.

For example, Joe suggests to his community "hey, we need a coffee shop" and everyone says "great idea, Joe!", and so with Joe's guidance, the community builds a little coffee shop with a nice terrace or whatever, and now Joe makes coffee for folks - his fellow owners - who come by for a visit. Nice. But then *Mary* decides *she* wants to run a coffee shop ("mine will have an open mic night!"), but the community says "well, we already have Joe's, Mary... can you do something else?"...

... poor Mary. She just wants to make a great cuppa.

And maybe she decides to open one anyway, and now the secret police are burying her in the woods. Yeah... central planning. Sucks.

Socialism? Eh. Nothing intrinsically evil there. Central planning? That tends to go bad, fast.

Realistically, so-called "mixed economies" are probably the most viable - a discussion for another time - but I really can't think of *anyone* of significance in modern American public discourse who's an actual *socialist*.

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That has nothing to do with socialism.

You don't have to "believe" what socialism is, because it's a specific, defined economic theory, specifically in which the community - not private owners or investors - own the "means of production" (basically the supply chain and the overall business infrastructure).

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Socialism? Eh. Nothing intrinsically evil there. Central planning? That tends to go bad, fast.

Realistically, so-called "mixed economies" are probably the most viable - a discussion for another time - but I really can't think of *anyone* of significance in modern American public discourse who's an actual *socialist*.

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I appreciate your defining terms, because it helps discuss ideas that are often misunderstood due to imprecise use or due to use for "scoring points" in rhetorical discourse. Socialism, fascism, democracy, republic, central planning, authoritarian, federalism, universal healthcare, social security, public servant, small government, big government, propaganda, disinformation, commonweal -- all terms that have tripped me up at times when my tongue is sharp but my mind is dull. :cheers:
 

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A reasonable response. I get tripped up when comparing a politicians words to his/her actions. This country is where it is due to the lies and corruption from many people. Any one particular ideology has it's share of sins. A blended approach will probably yield the best results.
 
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