The ATF & me (article)

Discussion in 'In the News' started by Adam5, Jul 20, 2007.

  1. Adam5

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    http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2007/07/20/the_atf__me/



    It sounds to me that he made someone made, who in turn called the ATF and reported the straw sale that he admitted to on the the air.
     
  2. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    This is exactly why self control and politeness are important, even to people you believe are on the other side of the fence.
     

  3. merlock

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    Awwww, the poor wittle baby...NOT :lol:
     
  4. Thorsen

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    Well he did openly admit to breaking the law on a radio program. What did he expect would happen? That he would get a cookie for doing so?
     
  5. Malum Prohibitum

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    Socialists - the ends justify the means.

    I mean, its not libertarians or conservatives coining phrases like "You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette."

    They think the laws do not apply to them. Laws are for everybody else.
     
  6. pro2am

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    He is deflecting his responsibility for his actions (which I believe is a Liberal trait) by suggesting that he isn't doing anything wrong (and oh by the way - SAF's Gottlieb is a felon - and you bring this up why?).

    Let me see...I deliberately broke a Federal law just to see how easy it is, but I shouldn't expect consequences for that.
     
  7. ber950

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    What law did he break? Looks like he was smart enough to not take possesion of the gun. If he did not then no law was broken. Its not a straw purchase to pay for someone elses gun. If the ATF had searched his house and found the gun he would be toast.
     
  8. Thorsen

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    The dealer refused to sell to Rosenthal as he was a Mass. resident and ineligible to purchase a firearm. Rosenthal then asked if his New Hampshire friend could purchase the weapon ... an obvious strawman. The dealer agreed.

    So at least as far as I can tell, Rosenthal, Bailey, the New Hampshire friend and the dealer all violated the law regarding straw purchases.
     
  9. wsweeks2

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    So does a child molester actually need to molest the child? Or is it enough to show intent when he shows up to the "meeting" which turns out to be the Po-Po?
     
  10. ber950

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    If thats the facts in this case. I bet the dealer says different. Then the dealer was an idiot. I have been behind the counter in a gun shop and it is rarely that straightforward. There are some dealers that will go along with that but they have a hard time keeping a license.

    What is common is two people come into the shop together. One does the shopping and the other pays. That is not necessary a straw sale but you do have to be careful. What we did was ask "Who is the gun for ?". You had to go on their word.

    Even if you trip them up and refused the sale, they get smart the next place they go. We had the advantage/disadvantage of having two shops fairly close together. I can remember the owner calling the other guy and warning him at least once.

    What is impossible for the FFL holder to defend against is two come in and shop. One will often point out a particular model. They leave and two days later one comes back into the shop alone and buys that exact gun.

    Maybe it was a straw sale maybe not.

    What you have to get past is the motive of this reporter. He wants gun registration. He thinks that if the gun was registered this wouldn't happen. I call :bsflag: If necessary a criminal will just steal.
     
  11. ber950

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    Non sequitor. If he intended to take possession of the gun he would have already. Intent is very difficult to prove especially in the past ie he intended to take possesion but he didn't.

    We were told by the ATF that even if a felon came in and bought a gun that the 4473 could not be used against them.
     
  12. budder

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    Well, to prove his point, of course.
     
  13. Malum Prohibitum

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    underpaying income tax. Not like he murdered somebody.
     
  14. Macktee

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    I'm with ber950 here. I don't see anything illegal or out of line transpired. He didn't buy the gun and he never took possession of it. Where's the crime? Why is the ATF checking into this purchase? I must be missing something here.

    Oh yeah, I do have to admire the guy for having the guts to admit he's afraid of guns. Not many men will make that admission. They may well be, but ain't gonna admit to it.

    That's like saying you're afraid or spiders or mice.

    A very feminine type woman, like my wife or our own GlockGirl, can get away with saying that. (That's one of my jobs. Along with putting gas in her car, I also get called whenever a spider needs to be put outside...)

    According to the govenator, a man who says something like that is admitting he's a girly-man...

    I think this particular columnist is definitely a girly-man! Not to accuse him of being gay. Some gay guys are pretty tough. He's not. He's nothing but a big sissy!
     
  15. budder

    budder Moderator Staff Member

    I'm afraid of guns pointed at me: does that count?