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Bail is not for punishment, and there is no reason for the prosecution to take a long time to turn over evidence to the defense.

What, exactly, is your problem with these reforms?
 

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He killed someone and was not even arraigned. If there is no bail, what is the incentive to anyone for him to appear?

"Hopkins could not be reached for comment Thursday, and provided cops with an address in Queens that is actually an office for Safelite, an Ohio-based company specializing in the repair and insurance of windshields and other auto glass."
 

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He was not arraigned because the prosecution did not have its act together - in other words, he has not been charged. Do you think he will not be? What is the difference if it is now or when he prosecution finally gets its act together? Its not like anything was going to happen sooner if the prosecution cannot even turn over exculpatory evidence.

As for the lack of bail and incentive to appear, I guess we'll see whether this results in a significant change in the number of accused who turn fugitive from justice.

I have long been opposed to Georgia's bail system for just about every crime (other than most traffic offenses). Clayton County basically uses it to punish those caught with a gun in carry on bags at the airport. It's utterly ridiculous that officers cannot simply write a ticket for a misdemeanor and send the person on his way with a court date.
 

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As for the lack of bail and incentive to appear, I guess we'll see whether this results in a significant change in the number of accused who turn fugitive from justice.
Yes, yes we will. I have little doubt it will result in a significant increase.

I have long been opposed to Georgia's bail system for just about every crime (other than most traffic offenses). Clayton County basically uses it to punish those caught with a gun in carry on bags at the airport. It's utterly ridiculous that officers cannot simply write a ticket for a misdemeanor and send the person on his way with a court date.
So your first couple of sentences make sense. But the last has me a little like R2D2 after he got winged by an imperial laser riding in Skywalkers fighter! Are you telling me you do not think manslaughter should be a 'bailable' offense?
 

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But the last has me a little like R2D2 after he got winged by an imperial laser riding in Skywalkers fighter! Are you telling me you do not think manslaughter should be a 'bailable' offense?
I don't understand your question, or maybe you don't understand MP's post. He was advocating/suggesting that most/all misdemeanors should not result in arrests. They should instead result in citations issued. I agree with him. I do not think his post really implicates whether manslaughter (which is usually a felony) is bailable is related to whether most misdemeanors result in arrests.
 

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Since when is manslaughter a misdemeanor? It looks to me like he's deliberately missing the point.
 

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Here are some great examples of this so-called "justice reform" that just passed in New York. THAT is the topic of the thread I started, not whether misdemeanors should be a bailable offense. This new "law" is releasing violent criminals back on the street, and it will continue to do so.

Assault a cop, go free, no bail required.
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/12/28/nypd-sucker-punch-bail-reform/

How many days in a row do you have to assault someone to qualify for bail?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-bail-laws-tiffany-harris

Manslaughter, Arson, Hate Crimes - See All The Crimes Suspects In New York Now Get Released For Under Bail Reform.
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/12/31/all-crimes-new-york-bail-reform/

Rockland County Fatal Hit-And-Run Suspect Released Under New State Bail Reform Guidelines.
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/12/31/all-crimes-new-york-bail-reform/

Even a "reformer" is having second thoughts.
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/01/03/criminal-justice-reform-changes-andrea-stewart-cousins/

So yeah, :puke: all over this despicable and filthy new law.
 

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Since a lot of folks like to pontificate without actually reading the links, here are the laws that are now arrest and release without bail in New York;
  • 2nd degree Burglary of a residence
  • 2nd degree Burglary as a Hate Crime
  • 3rd degree Burglary of a commercial building
  • 3rd degree Burglary as a Hate Crime
  • 2nd degree Robbery aided by another person
  • 2nd degree Robbery as a Hate Crime
  • 3rd degree Robbery
  • Criminal sale of a controlled substance (multiple counts)
  • Using a child to commit a controlled substance crime
  • Criminal possession of a controlled substance (multiple counts)
  • Criminal sale of a controlled substance in or near a school
  • Criminal injection of a controlled substance into another person
  • Criminal sale of a controlled substance to a child
  • Criminal sale of a prescription for a controlled substance by a pharmacist
  • Criminal possession or creation of Methamphetamines
  • 3rd degree Assault
  • 3rd degree Assault as a Hate Crime
  • Reckless Assault of a child by a day care provider
  • Reckless Assault of a child
  • Stalking (multiple counts)
  • Stalking as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
  • Vehicular Assault (multiple counts)
  • Aggravated Vehicular Assault
  • Aggravated Assault on a child under 11 years-old
  • Aggravated Assault on a child under 11 years-old as a Hate Child
  • Menacing (multiple counts)
  • Menacing as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
  • Reckless Endangerment (multiple counts)
  • Promoting a suicide attempt
  • 1st degree Stalking while committing a sex offense
  • Criminal Obstruction of Breathing
  • Criminally Negligent Homicide
  • 2nd degree Vehicular Manslaughter
  • Aggravated Vehicular Manslaughter
  • 2nd degree Manslaughter
  • Unlawful Imprisonment (multiple counts)
  • Unlawful Imprisonment as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
  • Aggravated Labor Trafficking
  • Custodial Interference (multiple counts)
  • Substitution of children
  • Coercion (multiple counts)
  • Coercion as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
  • Criminal Trespass (multiple counts)
  • Criminal Trespass as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
  • Possession of burglar's tools
  • Unlawful possession of a police scanner
  • Criminal Mischief (multiple counts)
  • Criminal Mischief as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
  • Criminal Tampering (multiple counts)
  • Cemetery Desecration (multiple counts)
  • Aggravated Cemetery Desecration (multiple counts)
  • Reckless Endangerment of property
  • Tampering with a consumer product (multiple counts)
  • Graffiti
  • Possession of Graffiti tools
  • 3rd degree Arson
  • 4th degree Arson
  • 5th degree Arson
  • 3rd degree Arson as a Hate Crime
  • 4th degree Arson as a Hate Crime
  • 5th degree Arson as a Hate Crime
  • Grand Larceny (multiple counts)
  • Grand Larceny at a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
  • Aggravated Grand Larceny of an ATM
  • Petit Larceny
  • Petit Larceny as a Hate Crime
  • Computer Tampering (multiple counts)
  • Computer Trespass
  • Unauthorized use of a computer
  • Unlawful duplication of computer materials (multiple counts)
  • Welfare Fraud (multiple counts)
  • Criminal use of a public benefits card (multiple counts)
  • Criminal possession of a public benefits card (multiple counts)
  • Unauthorized use of a vehicle (multiple counts)
  • Auto stripping (multiple counts)
  • Theft of services
  • Unauthorized use of a credit card
  • Jostling
  • Fraudulent Accosting
  • Criminal Possession of Stolen Property (multiple counts)
  • Forgery (multiple counts)
  • Criminal possession of a forged instrument (multiple counts)
  • Criminal possession of forgery devices
  • Criminal possession of a Vehicle ID Number
  • Forgery of a Vehicle ID Number
  • Falsifying business records (multiple counts)
  • Tampering with public records (multiple counts)
  • Offering a false instrument for filing (multiple counts)
  • Insurance Fraud (multiple counts)
  • Health insurance fraud (multiple counts)
  • Criminal diversion of prescription medications (multiple counts)
  • Commercial bribery (multiple counts)
  • Rent Gouging (multiple counts)
  • Residential mortgage fraud (multiple counts)
  • Aggravated identity theft (multiple counts)
  • Bribery (multiple counts)
  • Perjury (multiple counts)
  • Bail jumping (multiple counts)
  • Obstructing governmental administration (multiple counts)
  • Obstructing governmental administration with a self-defense spray device
  • Killing a Police Dog or Police Horse
  • Obstructing emergency medical services
  • Obstructing governmental services with a bomb
  • Escape (multiple counts)
  • Promoting prison contraband (multiple counts)
  • Resisting arrest
  • Hindering prosecution (multiple counts)
  • Making a false sworn statement
  • Bribing a witness
  • Receiving a bribe as a witness
  • Bribing a juror
  • Receiving a bribe as a juror
  • Providing a juror with a gratuity
  • Tampering with a juror (multiple counts)
  • Tampering with physical evidence
  • Compounding a crime
  • 1st degree Criminal Contempt - refusing to be sworn in as a witness
  • 2nd degree Criminal Contempt
  • ALL Gambling offenses
  • ALL Prostitution offenses
  • Providing indecent material in minors (multiple counts)
  • Riot (multiple counts)
  • Criminal Anarchy
  • Harassment (multiple counts)
  • Harassment as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
  • Aggravated Harassment (multiple counts)
  • Aggravated Harassment as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
  • Aggravated Harassment of an employee by an inmate
  • Criminal nuisance (multiple counts)
  • Falsely reporting a crime
  • Pointing a laser at an aircraft (multiple counts)
  • Harming a service animal (multiple counts)
  • Public lewdness
  • Illegal eavesdropping
  • Dissemination of unlawful surveillance (multiple counts)
  • Non-support of a child (multiple counts)
  • Endangering the welfare of a child
  • Assisting in female genital mutilation
  • Endangering the welfare of an incompetent or physically disabled person
  • Endangering the welfare of a vulnerable elderly person
  • Endangering the welfare of a disabled person (multiple counts)
  • Promoting an obscene sexual performance by a child
  • Possession of an obscene sexual performance by a child
  • Promoting a sexual performance by a child
  • Possessing a sexual performance by a child
  • 4th degree Criminal possession of a weapon
  • Criminal possession of a weapon on school grounds
  • Criminal possession of a firearm
  • 3rd degree Criminal possession of a weapon
  • Criminal purchase or disposal of a weapon
  • Unlawfully wearing a body vest
  • Unlawfully fleeing a police officer in a vehicle (multiple counts)
  • Enterprise corruption
  • Money Laundering (multiple counts)
  • Money Laundering in support of terrorism (multiple counts)
  • Corrupting the government (multiple counts)
  • Criminal solicitation (multiple counts)
  • Conspiracy (multiple counts)
  • Conspiracy as a Hate Crime (multiple counts)
  • Criminal facilitation (multiple counts)

That is what post-modern progressives consider nonviolent crimes in New York.
 

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Manslaughter can be a felony or a misdemeanor, depending on the circumstances.
I could understand this in a case where the death was not reasonably foreseeable but is this also true even when that manslaughter occurred as a result of drunk driving?
 

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I think the title was accurate
The title is spot on. The article is about criminal justice reform with the lack of bail requirement being part of the reforms and certainly part of the article which has the words criminal justice reforms in it. What the hell else would the title have been?
 

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Hopkins could not be reached for comment Thursday, and provided cops with an address in Queens that is actually an office for Safelite [his employer]...
His license doesn't show his actual residence address? Or don't cops bother looking at those anymore in NY? I guess it's a moot point especially now that they're giving licenses to illegal aliens.
 

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Democrats are soft on borders and crime and they are doing it ( like it or not politically correct or not) to pander to black and brown votes. You can win elections on policy just out reproduce the other group
 

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More sweet justice reform (If you're a scumbag that is!) out of New York.

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https://nypost.com/2020/01/11/seria...h-no-bail-then-immediately-robs-another-bank/

"Because Woodberry allegedly robbed using a note, rather than a gun, no New York jail can currently hold him, no matter how many times he strikes."

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https://nypost.com/2020/01/14/serial-bank-robber-suspected-in-yet-another-manhattan-heist-cops/

"I can't believe they let me out," he marveled as he picked up his vouchered property at NYPD headquarters, sources previously told The Post.

"What were they thinking?"
 
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