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Air gun Trigger Gun barrel Rectangle Gun accessory Trigger Gun barrel Rectangle Wood Gun accessory What do y'all think of the SWD (Cobray?) semi-auto pistols that have the post-1982 closed-bolt type action?

I have one, and have had one or two of those for decades. They were dirt cheap 20-30 years ago. Something like $199.

The ones made before 1994 (before the federal assault weapon ban) have threaded barrels. It's a lot of fun to use these with a fake suppressor or screw-on barrel extension.

They use the same magazines as the more famous M11/9 submachine gun. Normally it's an all-plastic 30 round stick mag.

Mine hasn't been fired much. It's barely broken-in.
But I don't recall it ever jamming. I've tried some hollowpoints, though it's mostly fed cheap brass cased FMJ.

The sights are crude and too small to be useful, but the gun is "pointable" enough to hit the kill zone on a man-sized target at 7 yards.
For a CQB combat pistol, how much accuracy do ya need?

I will soon dig mine out of the safe and take it to the range for the first time in 20 years.

Meanwhile, here are random internet pics of somebody else's: (see above)

So, does this gun have a legitimate purpose for home defense, protecting one's store or shop, carry in your RV or other vehicle while traveling, etc?
 

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I modified the "feed ramp" on my SWD M11/9 by bending it more upward & polished it, now it feeds HP's & even the flat nose Winchester subsonics. I'm not sure the semi version is the same.

There are new, metal magazines now available that function well.

With a Lage folding stock & red dot I can shoot better groups than with my Glocks.
 

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I shot this M11/9 semi pistol twice in the last week. During the first range session, I had one failure to feed (bolt closed on empty chamber) and one light firing pin strike in the first few rounds of the first magazine. I think that’s because the gun was completely dry; all the oil that I had put on it before I stored it 15+ years ago had evaporated.
Once I fired off the first magazine, everything else went fine; I shot two more 30 round magazines of Win white box 115 gr. FMJ ammo.
 
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On the second range session, I sprayed the bolt and magazine lips and the feed ramp area with breakfree CLP.

We went through 50 rounds with not a single hicccup. I shot some slow fire, and some rapid fire from the hip.

The fixed sights are crude but dead-on at 7 and 10 yards. This gun will shoot tight groups if you hold it steady. The trigger is fairly crisp; much nicer than my open bolt M/11-9 sub machinegun.

I didn’t like the feel of the gun during rapid fire with that stubby little barrel that only sticks out an inch and a half behind the front of the frame. I wish that I had my barrel extension with me or a fake suppressor to screw on the threaded muzzle.

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I think this gun has a useful role for home defense, vehicle defense, taking out on a boat or yacht for self-defense on the sea, or just to have as a curiosity or collectible because you’ve always wanted a transferable select fire M-11 submachinegun, but don’t want to pay 10 grand for it now.
 

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This semi auto pistol will take some aftermarket shoulder stocks that were intended to be used with a 16 inch barreled upper for a carbine conversion.

I’m talking about a solid wood or polymer butt stock, not a telescoping wire stock.


If you were willing to do the NFA registration and pay the $200 transfer tax to make a short-barreled rifle, I think this M-11 with a shoulder stock and a screw-on 8” barrel extension (or a real suppressor) would be very good for home defense.

Short, compact, easy to shoot accurately at close range, and without the deafening concussion and muzzle blast of a .223 round when fired indoors.
 

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Interesting pistol. I have been looking for this exact model and have not been able to locate one. Seems like a good option for a high cap 9mm CQB in a small package. I should have picked up the first one I fondled a few years back.
 

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I cleaned the M-11/Nine today and found that, after 25 years mostly in storage, the rubber recoil buffer that goes between the back of the bolt and the rear of the frame was falling apart and soft like freshley-chewed gum.

That's one bad thing about this whole family of weapons-- they need this rubber or silicone buffer pad, and they don't last long during use, and they go bad just from age even if you don't shoot the gun.
 

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The more common the failure of the part, generally, the more availability of the spare part. Not always true, but it does provide more competition.
 
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