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iirc it doesnt meet the definition of a long gun or a pistol....but there might be some other law dealing with weapons in general that makes it illegal to conceal??
 

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Well, I saw the portion about open carry of a long gun, and the sub meets the length requirement of a long gun, even though its a carbine. I haven't seen anything though which makes it illegal to conceal in say, a back pack.

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glockin said:
Well, I saw the portion about open carry of a long gun, and the sub meets the length requirement of a long gun, even though its a carbine. I haven't seen anything though which makes it illegal to conceal in say, a back pack.

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it doesnt meet the entire definition of a long gun....
Long gun - A firearm with a barrel length of at least 18 inches and overall length of at least 26 inches designed or made and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or made to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed:
 

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rmodel65 said:
glockin said:
Well, I saw the portion about open carry of a long gun, and the sub meets the length requirement of a long gun, even though its a carbine. I haven't seen anything though which makes it illegal to conceal in say, a back pack.

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it doesnt meet the entire definition of a long gun....
Long gun - A firearm with a barrel length of at least 18 inches and overall length of at least 26 inches designed or made and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or made to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed:
Wrong. The Sub 2000 is 29.5" long when unfolded and in firing configuration. It is impossible to fire when folded. If it were operable while folded it would fall under the NFA as a short barreled rifle.
 

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CoolHand said:
rmodel65 said:
glockin said:
Well, I saw the portion about open carry of a long gun, and the sub meets the length requirement of a long gun, even though its a carbine. I haven't seen anything though which makes it illegal to conceal in say, a back pack.

Thanks for the responses.
it doesnt meet the entire definition of a long gun....
Long gun - A firearm with a barrel length of at least 18 inches and overall length of at least 26 inches designed or made and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or made to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed:
Wrong. The Sub 2000 is 29.5" long when unfolded and in firing configuration. It is impossible to fire when folded. If it were operable while folded it would fall under the NFA as a short barreled rifle.
good technical catch...
 

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CoolHand said:
rmodel65 said:
glockin said:
Well, I saw the portion about open carry of a long gun, and the sub meets the length requirement of a long gun, even though its a carbine. I haven't seen anything though which makes it illegal to conceal in say, a back pack.

Thanks for the responses.
it doesnt meet the entire definition of a long gun....
Long gun - A firearm with a barrel length of at least 18 inches and overall length of at least 26 inches designed or made and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or made to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed:
Wrong. The Sub 2000 is 29.5" long when unfolded and in firing configuration. It is impossible to fire when folded. If it were operable while folded it would fall under the NFA as a short barreled rifle.
But the S2000 barrel length is only 16.1". So if the above quote of 18" is correct it doesn't meet the definition of a long gun under GA law (nor do most ARs).
 

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dcannon1 said:
So if the above quote of 18" is correct it doesn't meet the definition of a long gun under GA law (nor do most ARs).
Which is a good thing! :righton:
 

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CoolHand said:
rmodel65 said:
glockin said:
Well, I saw the portion about open carry of a long gun, and the sub meets the length requirement of a long gun, even though its a carbine. I haven't seen anything though which makes it illegal to conceal in say, a back pack.

Thanks for the responses.
it doesnt meet the entire definition of a long gun....
Long gun - A firearm with a barrel length of at least 18 inches and overall length of at least 26 inches designed or made and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or made to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed:
Wrong. The Sub 2000 is 29.5" long when unfolded and in firing configuration. It is impossible to fire when folded. If it were operable while folded it would fall under the NFA as a short barreled rifle.
good technical catch...
notice all the bold it has to have an 18+ inch barrel and the over all length of 26 inches......
 

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Well under Georgia code, if the barrel is over 16", which the keltec is 16.1", it is not considered a sawed off rife. And what about those AR's. If you can have a long gun in a case unloaded, could you carry a sub2000 in a back pack during a hiking trip? How can we find out if it meets the definition of a long gun? And if there is no law pertaining to this weapon's definition, can arrests be made if you do carry it seeing how there is no law for its definition?
 

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CoolHand said:
rmodel65 said:
glockin said:
Well, I saw the portion about open carry of a long gun, and the sub meets the length requirement of a long gun, even though its a carbine. I haven't seen anything though which makes it illegal to conceal in say, a back pack.

Thanks for the responses.
it doesnt meet the entire definition of a long gun....
Long gun - A firearm with a barrel length of at least 18 inches and overall length of at least 26 inches designed or made and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or made to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed:
Wrong. The Sub 2000 is 29.5" long when unfolded and in firing configuration. It is impossible to fire when folded. If it were operable while folded it would fall under the NFA as a short barreled rifle.
The official measurements for that are taken with any folding stocks fully extended.
 

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I thought under the new Georgia gun laws, a "weapon" was either a HANDGUN or a KNIFE OVER 5 INCH BLADE.

And even though you can shoot a 16" barreled carbine one-handed, it's still not a "handgun" because the barrel is over 12 inches.

So a 16" barreled carbine is not a weapon for most purposes for most of Georgia's gun laws (note the big difference in the School Safety Zone law, though).

And it's not a "long gun" either. The feds consider it one, and it's a rifle as far as BATF is concerned, but it's not a "rifle" under Georgia law.
(and this is the kind of loophole that needs to be closed, quickly and quietly, and let's hope GCO doesn't get blamed or accused of trying to sneak this loophole into the law, because GCO needs to have credibility and respect among legislators).
 

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glockin said:
Well under Georgia code, if the barrel is over 16", which the keltec is 16.1", it is not considered a sawed off rife. And what about those AR's. If you can have a long gun in a case unloaded, could you carry a sub2000 in a back pack during a hiking trip? How can we find out if it meets the definition of a long gun? And if there is no law pertaining to this weapon's definition, can arrests be made if you do carry it seeing how there is no law for its definition?
Arrests can be made for any or no reason. Read the code or speak with an attorney if you want to know if your actions are nonetheless legal.

rmodel65 said:
it is a weapon...but it is not a long gun.....
Is that so?

EDIT: bah, beaten by gunsmoker.
 

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(and this is the kind of loophole that needs to be closed, quickly and quietly, and let's hope GCO doesn't get blamed or accused of trying to sneak this loophole into the law, because GCO needs to have credibility and respect among legislators).
Why does this "loophole" need to be "closed?" Who is being harmed by it staying this way? Why would we want to place more restrictions on gun rights? I though GCO is no compromise, hopefully they won't cave on this issue. Please tell me an example of why this needs to be "closed." Remember prohibited persons would still not be able to carry these types of firearms and people aren't going to be let into places with these that have metal detectors.

I know you don't agree with it, and that's fine, but I thought GCO's ultimate goal is to have "constitutional carry" with as few off-limits locations as possible.

This "loophole" is just a step in that direction. Thoughts?
 

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It should be closed because you should have the freedom not to be arrested while carring it concealed if you can carry a long gun concealed. It would give us more rights as gun owners.
 

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Wrong. The Sub 2000 is 29.5" long when unfolded and in firing configuration. It is impossible to fire when folded. If it were operable while folded it would fall under the NFA as a short barreled rifle.
Actually, you're wrong, it doesn't meet the ENTIRE definition of a long gun. It qualifies as a long gun under the 26" minimum. It fails to qualify under the 18" barrel length requirement. The two requirements are joined by an "and".
 

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CoolHand said:
Wrong. The Sub 2000 is 29.5" long when unfolded and in firing configuration. It is impossible to fire when folded. If it were operable while folded it would fall under the NFA as a short barreled rifle.
Actually, you're wrong, it doesn't meet the ENTIRE definition of a long gun. It qualifies as a long gun under the 26" minimum. It fails to qualify under the 18" barrel length requirement. The two requirements are joined by an "and".
I think the guy gets it already.
 

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ookoshi said:
CoolHand said:
Wrong. The Sub 2000 is 29.5" long when unfolded and in firing configuration. It is impossible to fire when folded. If it were operable while folded it would fall under the NFA as a short barreled rifle.
Actually, you're wrong, it doesn't meet the ENTIRE definition of a long gun. It qualifies as a long gun under the 26" minimum. It fails to qualify under the 18" barrel length requirement. The two requirements are joined by an "and".
Dude. Did you not read the dozen or so posts prior to yours discussing what you just restated?

-10 points for mastery of the obvious. You are hereby awarded a SAOAFR medal, 1st award. :righton:
 
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