[Chuck38]

Well, Missouri churches are off limits to legally concealed firearms, and duh, what happened.

They killed over 3000 people on 9/11 and lost 19? terrorist. Why not find a packed church with 3 or more thousand and shoot them all, or gas them all. Probably wouldn't lose any terrorist.

They can check the local laws and see where it is "safe" to carry a terrorist gun.

Had to vent.

The Texas governor had it right..legalize the carry for a licensed person everywhere...bars etc.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Welcome, chuck38. I see it is your first post, and you are from Kennesaw. Have you been following the news?

 

[pro2am]

Welcome.

I completely agree with your statement. It is very frustrating. The really idiotic thing is that when something like this occurs...plenty of people will want to ban guns even more.

 

[Mobster989]

But if they don't die then they won't be martyrs. For maximum effect they should hit a church on Easter or Christmas. Maybe stage multiple attacks like they did on 9/11. Hit dozens of churches in different states that ban firearms in those churches. I'd say, two or three gunmen to a church, bust in about 20 minutes after the service starts and pop as many people as they can in 2 minutes, then hop in the car and head out. Maybe even hit a 2nd nearby church.

I think that even in states without laws against carrying in a church most people still don't carry them there. There is a social stigma against it. I don't understand why though. I heard stories of pastors during the revoluntionary war putting their muskets beside the pulpits before they started preaching. I don't understand why they've even legislated that churches and places of worship are off-limits. Shouldn't it be up to the religion/church to decide if firearms are permitted?

 

[ptsmith24]

Shouldn't it be up to the religion/church to decide if firearms are permitted?

Yes. It should be up to any place, really. I don't believe the gov't should decide such things, whether it be a church or bar.

 

[budder]

Shouldn't it be up to the religion/church to decide if firearms are permitted?

Yes. It should be up to any place, really. I don't believe the gov't should decide such things, whether it be a church or bar.

"Private property, schmivate proprty." Okay, so that's more of a paraphrasing, but doesn't make it any less true.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

I heard stories of pastors during the revoluntionary war putting their muskets beside the pulpits before they started preaching.

Half the colonies had laws requiring men to be armed while attending church, under penalty of a fine.

Source - Armed America, Clayton Cramer

If you don't have it, you should! Barnes&Noble sells it online.

 

[Gunstar1]

I heard stories of pastors during the revoluntionary war putting their muskets beside the pulpits before they started preaching.

Half the colonies had laws requiring men to be armed while attending church, under penalty of a fine.

Source - Armed America, Clayton Cramer

If you don't have it, you should! Barnes&Noble sells it online.

Oh how the times change. The colonies required guns to be brought to church service, today you cant bring a gun onto a church parking lot.

 

[budder]

Well, you can't do it legally. I just avoid churches altogether.

 

[Mobster989]

I'm going to be visiting my mom in Kentucky in about 2 months and no doubt we'll go to church. Seems like a good time to test the waters with OC in a church. It should be a good place for my first time OCing. And Kentucky law doesn't prohibit it. So the most that could happen is I get told to leave by the pastor.

I'm getting ammunition right now. I've been looking for church shooting incidents, anyone got some links? I have about 5 right now. I'm also going to be looking through the good book for some more ammunition. Just in case there are those who disagree with me.

I'm kind of surprised no one has cried about freedom of religion on this one. If a church honestly believes they have a religious duty to carry a weapon (Sikhism?) then couldn't they argue it in court and have a good chance of winning? We're not talking about virgin sacrifices or the duty to beat disobedient wives. We're talking about the duty to protect yourself which is a natural born right guaranteed by the 9th amendment and the right to be armed with modern milita-type weapons, guaranteed by the 2nd.

 

[GAGunOwner]

I'm going to be visiting my mom in Kentucky in about 2 months and no doubt we'll go to church. Seems like a good time to test the waters with OC in a church. It should be a good place for my first time OCing. And Kentucky law doesn't prohibit it. So the most that could happen is I get told to leave by the pastor.

Wouldn't open carrying in most churches be a little over the top?

 

[GAGunOwner]

All I can say is that if BGs start shooting in a church that I'm in, I'll be shooting back. 8)

 

[wsweeks2]

I'm going to be visiting my mom in Kentucky in about 2 months and no doubt we'll go to church. Seems like a good time to test the waters with OC in a church. It should be a good place for my first time OCing. And Kentucky law doesn't prohibit it. So the most that could happen is I get told to leave by the pastor.

Wouldn't open carrying in most churches be a little over the top?

I don't see how it would be.

Go for it Mobster, and let us know how it goes.

 

[GAGunOwner]

I'm going to be visiting my mom in Kentucky in about 2 months and no doubt we'll go to church. Seems like a good time to test the waters with OC in a church. It should be a good place for my first time OCing. And Kentucky law doesn't prohibit it. So the most that could happen is I get told to leave by the pastor.

Wouldn't open carrying in most churches be a little over the top?

I don't see how it would be.

Go for it Mobster, and let us know how it goes.

Assuming that carrying in a church was legal...if I were a priest/preacher (I'm not) I'd probably ask someone open carrying to conceal, even as pro-carry as I am. I'd have zero problem with concealed carry, and I'd encourage it. All open carrying at a church is doing is trying to incite a reaction in most cases. There are times for open carry and times to conceal. This is one of the times to conceal in most cases. Many people would feel unconfortable with people open carrying into a church. I do not know why, but that is the way it is.

 

[Mobster989]

I'm on good terms with most of the "influential" people in the church. I've visited a few times with my family before and they know I'm alright. I'll probably call before I go and let the preacher know, just to make sure no one jumps the gun...or the guy carrying the gun. It's not like it is a big church though. The busiest night I've been there we had about 50 people, and usually it's about 30 or so. Also it's in a very rural area. Most everyone in the church, including the preacher knows I'm a good guy. I'll see what happens though. (Expect an update in about 2 months or so.)

I think there is this stigma with weapons in a church. I don't really understand it myself. Maybe they think it is an insult to God or something. I don't see why though. Shouldn't it be a reassurance that good christians are armed? Why is concealed carry ok but open carry is taboo? A gun in the church is a gun in the church.

 

[pro2am]

Mobster, I'm not exactly sure how to address this...except to say that what you wrote is an indication of a willingness to defy Georgia law regarding carrying to a church (my interpretation). Unless the church is willing to hire you as security...and I must assume thats what you meant...if I were you, I wouldn't carry openly or concealed to church, even if you do contact the preacher first.

But hey, I probably misunderstood your post.

 

[budder]

You did misunderstand. He's going to KY, where it's legal.

 

[pro2am]

Whew!

Keep moving along folks...nothing to see here....