OUCH!!!! I agree, new drivers need to see something vile and revolting to bring awareness to their mortality. Studies have revealed, as I recall, that humans don't fully develop risk management skills until their early twenties. That's painful to watch, but I bet it would save many lives.
Speed Kills!
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-ing dog's fault. Sue the owner!
-ing dog's fault. Sue the owner!
That video was about as moving to me as a string of 'accidental' shootings with the tagline "Gun Kill."
Face it: speed doesn't kill. Mistakes causing collisions are what gets you. I have successfully controlled a vehicle on public roadways in excess of 160mph without any death or destruction. I've also made mistakes at less than 30mph that have totaled multiple vehicles and sent people to the hospital.
I agree that the best 'solution' is for more and better training for drivers. If I ever have kids, I can assure you that by the time they're old enough to take the wheel alone, they will have had enough in instruction and practice with a variety of vehicles in a variety of situations that will have the skills needed to handle most any situation. I have no illusions that any amount of training will eliminate all 'foolish' behaviors. I know I (and most of you) have done some incredibly dangerous things at times and mostly got away unscathed. I still believe good training will a. give one a little more perspective on risks and when something is dicey vs. outright suicidal, and b. give some chance of recovery when it's obvious that you're in over your head.
That also makes me feel the need to mention that we just need to accept that no matter how good or cautious drivers are, bad things are still going to happen. You will always be able to find horrible pictures and make horrible videos. It's unreasonable to think you can prevent every tragedy and unfair to punish everyone for the misfortunes of a few.
I've posted this picture here before, but it fits again now:
This was a sad and scary situation. I walked away from it a better driver and person...
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Face it: speed doesn't kill. Mistakes causing collisions are what gets you. I have successfully controlled a vehicle on public roadways in excess of 160mph without any death or destruction. I've also made mistakes at less than 30mph that have totaled multiple vehicles and sent people to the hospital.
I agree that the best 'solution' is for more and better training for drivers. If I ever have kids, I can assure you that by the time they're old enough to take the wheel alone, they will have had enough in instruction and practice with a variety of vehicles in a variety of situations that will have the skills needed to handle most any situation. I have no illusions that any amount of training will eliminate all 'foolish' behaviors. I know I (and most of you) have done some incredibly dangerous things at times and mostly got away unscathed. I still believe good training will a. give one a little more perspective on risks and when something is dicey vs. outright suicidal, and b. give some chance of recovery when it's obvious that you're in over your head.
That also makes me feel the need to mention that we just need to accept that no matter how good or cautious drivers are, bad things are still going to happen. You will always be able to find horrible pictures and make horrible videos. It's unreasonable to think you can prevent every tragedy and unfair to punish everyone for the misfortunes of a few.
I've posted this picture here before, but it fits again now:
This was a sad and scary situation. I walked away from it a better driver and person...
Looks like you're part of the problem. :shattered:Sine Nomen said:I have successfully controlled a vehicle on public roadways in excess of 160mph without any death or destruction. I've also made mistakes at less than 30mph that have totaled multiple vehicles and sent people to the hospital.
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Glad you're ok.
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Looks like we both learned the same lesson...in the same car.Sine Nomen said:That video was about as moving to me as a string of 'accidental' shootings with the tagline "Gun Kill."
Face it: speed doesn't kill. Mistakes causing collisions are what gets you. I have successfully controlled a vehicle on public roadways in excess of 160mph without any death or destruction. I've also made mistakes at less than 30mph that have totaled multiple vehicles and sent people to the hospital.
I agree that the best 'solution' is for more and better training for drivers. If I ever have kids, I can assure you that by the time they're old enough to take the wheel alone, they will have had enough in instruction and practice with a variety of vehicles in a variety of situations that will have the skills needed to handle most any situation. I have no illusions that any amount of training will eliminate all 'foolish' behaviors. I know I (and most of you) have done some incredibly dangerous things at times and mostly got away unscathed. I still believe good training will a. give one a little more perspective on risks and when something is dicey vs. outright suicidal, and b. give some chance of recovery when it's obvious that you're in over your head.
That also makes me feel the need to mention that we just need to accept that no matter how good or cautious drivers are, bad things are still going to happen. You will always be able to find horrible pictures and make horrible videos. It's unreasonable to think you can prevent every tragedy and unfair to punish everyone for the misfortunes of a few.
I've posted this picture here before, but it fits again now:
This was a sad and scary situation. I walked away from it a better driver and person...
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slid off the tail of the dragon.
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