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Sunday, May 15, 2022: Another church mass-shooting. This time in southern California, at a Taiwanese church.


So, an old Asian man who had lived in Taiwan as a child but grew up in the USA, whose political leanings were to the Chinese communist government and who hated the Taiwan government and its separate identity from mainland China...

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.... decided to drive to an all-Taiwanese church --Geneva Presbyterian Church -- in the Los Angeles area (Laguna Woods, in Orange County)...

... and kill everyone there, and burn the church to the ground!


He brought homemade bombs and incendiary devices (gasoline bombs, like a molotov cocktail)

he brought 2 pistols and extra magazines for each.

He started by chaining and locking the church doors, and squrting superglue in the lock holes. He wanted to trap everybody inside.

He pulled out his guns and started shooting into the crowd, hitting several people.

One guy, one member of the church, a 52 year old medical doctor, rushed the bad guy and tackled him, but he himself got shot, fatally, in the effort.

He was successful in disrupting the bad guy's attack and making his pistol jam. At that point, others in the congregation put their hands on the bad guy and pulled him down, restrained him, and ended up hog-tying him with electrical cords, because they had no handcuffs, zip-ties, or rope.

The bad guy was a security guard (or retired former security guard??) from Las Vegas who had owned his handguns for years, having purchased them legally in Las Vegas.

NEWS LINKS:

California authorities identify Laguna Woods church shooting victim, motive | Fox News

Taiwanese Presbyterian Church thankful for outpouring of support after deadly Laguna Woods church shooting (msn.com)

California church shooting: Alleged gunman 'politically motivated' by hatred for Taiwanese people (foxla.com)


Of course this mass-shooting didn't get much press, because the news outlets were still talking about a much worse massacre with a higher body count that had happened the day before-- the white racist who killed 10 black people at Tops supermarket in Buffalo, NY.

Also, the news generally doesn't give much coverage to mass-shootings committed by nonwhites, since that fails to reinforce their narrative that only "disaffected middle age white males" are mass shooters, and they're the gun nuts and NRA members among American society, and THEY cause all the trouble and make the blood run ankle-deep in our streets.
 
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Could we restrain an attacker like this in Georgia? Is this considered a citizen's arrest?
 
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Could we restrain an attacker like this in Georgia? Is this considered a citizen's arrest?

Nope, the citizens arrest law in Georgia has been almost entirely repealed, leaving only a couple of minor exceptions for shopkeepers detaining shoplifters and private security guards in the performance of their duty for the business that hired them.

Gov. Kemp teamed up with Black Lives Matter and the communists to make sure that law-abiding armed Georgia citizens have to stand around with their thumbs up their butts while a mass murderer, who did the murders right in front of the armed Good Samaritan, gets away.
No stopping him.
 

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p.s. Obviously if the shooter is still in the process of firing, you can intervene with deadly force to stop him and save him innocent lives. But once he starts to flee, you cannot shoot him to stop him from getting away.
You cannot detain him in any way, even using nondeadly force or simply verbal commands.
 

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If the shooter of innocents is fleeing, I'll shoot him if he is still openly armed, or if he appears to be reaching for a concealed weapon.

p.s. Obviously if the shooter is still in the process of firing, you can intervene with deadly force to stop him and save him innocent lives. But once he starts to flee, you cannot shoot him to stop him from getting away.
You cannot detain him in any way, even using nondeadly force or simply verbal commands.
 
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