Southern Baptists' vote on Confederate Flag

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bdee

Discussion Starter · May 7, 2016

Looks like the Southern Baptists are finally bringing to a vote their condemnation of public displays of the Confederate Flag. The conference and the vote will take place next month.

It represents a shift for the largely white, and largely conservative denomination to even come up for discussion, and represents a shift in public attitudes all across the political spectrum in the South.

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/0...on-public-display-of-confederate-battle-flag/

McKissic said in an interview this week. â€œThe continued use of that flag needs to be clearly repudiated by Bible-believing Christians.â€

McKissic said, from â€œa respected, white, Bible-believing organization â€" that God does not approve of racist attitudes.â€

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RebSoldier21

· #2 · May 8, 2016

Wow you are obsessed! I am baptist but I could give a rats behind what they think of the confederate battle flag. The southern baptist convention does NOT speak for all baptists. Unlike other bigoted baptists, I personally have no problem with gay marriage or anything like that. They condemn that as well. So no need to bring this to light. They are jumping on the band wagon to condemn something that does not mean what they think it means. Funny that even the Sons of Union Veterans encourage the display of the Confederate battle flag. http://suvcw.org/flagres.htm

Lets move on from this topic. It is getting old.:deadhorse:

bdee

Discussion Starter · #3 · May 8, 2016

RebSoldier21 said:
Lets move on from this topic. It is getting old.:deadhorse:

Once it is removed from all official state displays aside from museums and war memorials, the only time this will be displayed is at events like in Stone Mountain a couple of weeks ago, and the odd civil war reenactment here and there.

But at some point the South needs to let go of its racist past and quit looking on at it with nostalgia.

a_springfield

· #4 · May 8, 2016

It is history. Why do you want to forget it. As far as I know Mississippi is the only state that has the battle flag on their state flag. Even in South Carolina it was at a memorial at the state capital.

So where is the flag displayed by states not at a memorial?

seereus

· #5 · May 8, 2016

I just wish muslims could be so bold as to bring about the condemnation of islam and it's racist and violent past.

a_springfield

· #6 · May 8, 2016

seereus said:
I just wish muslims could be so bold as to bring about the condemnation of islam and it's racist and violent past.

But only a few extremist are violent in Islam, not the majority of Muslims.

seereus

· #7 · May 8, 2016

a_springfield said:
But only a few extremist are violent in Islam, not the majority of Muslims.

Much like how only a few look at the flag as being racist.

bdee

Discussion Starter · #8 · May 8, 2016

seereus said:
Much like how only a few look at the flag as being racist.

The entire country looks on it that way. There are just a few in the south clinging on to the idea of heritage not hate. And they are a minority in the south, the majority of those waving the southern cross are just like those in Stone Mountain a couple of weeks ago, that is *********** groups.

a_springfield

· #9 · May 8, 2016

bdee said:
The entire country looks on it that way. There are just a few in the south clinging on to the idea of heritage not hate. And they are a minority in the south, the majority of those waving the southern cross are just like those in Stone Mountain a couple of weeks ago, that is *********** groups.

I believe you have it backwards.

bdee

Discussion Starter · #10 · May 8, 2016

a_springfield said:
It is history. Why do you want to forget it. As far as I know Mississippi is the only state that has the battle flag on their state flag. Even in South Carolina it was at a memorial at the state capital.

So where is the flag displayed by states not at a memorial?

So display it in museums, at war memorials, and a civil war reenactments. All quite appropriate.

Display it on your car, on a shirt, or flying from your house, it tells the world that you are a white supremacist. No amount of denial is going to keep the rest of world viewing you as such.

a_springfield

· #11 · May 9, 2016

bdee said:
So display it in museums, at war memorials, and a civil war reenactments. All quite appropriate.

Display it on your car, on a shirt, or flying from your house, it tells the world that you are a white supremacist. No amount of denial is going to keep the rest of world viewing you as such.

The rest of the world needs to quit projecting their racist beliefs on others.

Schweisshund

· #12 · May 9, 2016

bdee said:
Once it is removed from all official state displays aside from museums and war memorials, the only time this will be displayed is at events like in Stone Mountain a couple of weeks ago, and the odd civil war reenactment here and there.

But at some point the South needs to let go of its racist past and quit looking on at it with nostalgia.

At some point, trolls need to take a break.

Wegahe

· #13 · May 9, 2016

a_springfield said:
The rest of the world needs to quit projecting their racist beliefs on others.

This^^^^^^^

The flag is not racist. Very few people who display the Confederate flag are racist. If this flag can disrupt your life enough to instill hatred in yourself then you need to do a reality check. It is a piece of cloth and can not do harm unless the pole it s mounted on falls and hits you on the head. The US flag was also used to promote hatred, mass murder, and racist ideas against Native Americans. You do not see us demanding the U.S. flag not be displayed. A flag is only as racist as the person looking sees it. Just because some idiot racist group uses it as one of their symbols doesn't mean everyone who uses it does so with the same intent.

kineticmind

· #14 · May 9, 2016

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bdee

Discussion Starter · #15 · May 9, 2016

a_springfield said:
The rest of the world needs to quit projecting their racist beliefs on others.

No one is imposing 'their' racist beliefs on these guys.

This is how the rest of the world views those that display the Southern Cross. I didn't see anyone from the 'Heritage Not Hate' crowd protesting their use of the flag. That leaves the rest of the world with the idea that that is what the flag symbolizes. The rest of the world isn't to blame for that. That's on the South.

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seereus

· #16 · May 9, 2016

bdee said:
No one is imposing 'their' racist beliefs on these guys.

This is how the rest of the world views those that display the Southern Cross. I didn't see anyone from the 'Heritage Not Hate' crowd protesting their use of the flag. That leaves the rest of the world with the idea that that is what the flag symbolizes. The rest of the world isn't to blame for that. That's on the South.

Much like the way the rest of the world looks upon islam as a hate filled bigoted and racist terrorist organization.

bdee

Discussion Starter · #17 · May 9, 2016

seereus said:
Much like the way the rest of the world looks upon islam as a hate filled bigoted and racist terrorist organization.

That's the argument I've been making, if one is going to paint all of Islam with the brush of radicalism, it stands to reason that the world will look on the American South with that same brush.

If one is going to condemn Muslims for not ridding themselves of the scourge of terrorist organizations, then the American South, which has done just as much to rid themselves of these white supremacist organizations should be held to the same standards.

If Muslims are going to be forced to condemn every act of terrorism lest they be accused of sympathizing with them, then it stands to reason every single Southerner should be forced to condemn the Klan, or any other *********** group every time they pop up, lest they be accused of sympathizing with these racist organizations.

But thank you seereus for making my point for me, you are absolutely right. The media treat should treat the South in the same way as they've been doing to the Muslim world.

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seereus

· #18 · May 9, 2016

bdee said:
That's the argument I've been making, if one is going to paint all of Islam with the brush of radicalism, it stands to reason that the world will look on the American South with that same brush.

If one is going to condemn Muslims for not ridding themselves of the scourge of terrorist organizations, then the American South, which has done just as much to rid themselves of these white supremacist organizations should be held to the same standards.

If Muslims are going to be forced to condemn every act of terrorism lest they be accused of sympathizing with them, then it stands to reason every single Southerner should be forced to condemn the Klan, or any other *********** group every time they pop up, lest they be accused of sympathizing with these racist organizations.

But thank you seereus for making my point for me, you are absolutely right. The media treat should treat the South in the same way as they've been doing to the Muslim world.

So bdee, your agreeing with me that a small amount of people are painting the south with the brush of racism and your just jumping on the bandwagon.

Thank you for making my point for me. For once your absolutely right.

bdee

Discussion Starter · #19 · May 9, 2016

seereus said:
So bdee, your agreeing with me that a small amount of people are painting the south with the brush of racism and your just jumping on the bandwagon.

Thank you for making my point for me. For once your absolutely right.

NO, I have been calling on the South to remove all instances of using the Confederate flag from official settings. The symbol is fully associated with white supremacist groups. So the symbol should be relegated to museums, war memorials, and civil war reenactments, where the flag can reemerge in a proper context, rather than a symbol of opposition to equal rights.

No, not all Southerners are racists any more than Muslims are supporters of radicalism. But if you are going to paint Muslims with that broad brush, don't be surprised when Southerners are as well. But you do hear calls for Muslims to be more proactive in ridding themselves of the scourge in their midst. Then the same would hold true for the South.

But I have never said all Southerners are racist, I am talking about banning the use of a symbol that is fully associated with racist organizations, and has been used recently as a political symbol of opposition to equal rights.

Imagine, in a hypothetical, if the city of Dearborn adopted as its city flag the black Shehada flag. Then, as a hypothetical, you hear people say that it is about their faith in God, and has nothing to do with radical groups like ISIS. Would you take them at their word, or would you think they held the same basic beliefs as ISIS. That's a rhetorical question, I know you'd be frothing at the mouth about radicalism and shari'a law. So is it so strange that when you see someone flying the Confederate flag, those people are associated with racist organizations?

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Nemo

· #20 · May 9, 2016

bdee said:
NO, I have been calling on the South to remove all instances of using the Confederate flag from official settings. The symbol is fully associated with white supremacist groups. So the symbol should be relegated to museums, war memorials, and civil war reenactments, where the flag can reemerge in a proper context, rather than a symbol of opposition to equal rights.

Don't like that, move north.

bdee said:
Imagine, in a hypothetical, if the city of Dearborn adopted as its city flag the black Shehada flag. Then, as a hypothetical, you hear people say that it is about their faith in God, and has nothing to do with radical groups like ISIS. Would you take them at their word, or would you think they held the same basic beliefs as ISIS. That's a rhetorical question, I know you'd be frothing at the mouth about radicalism and shari'a law. So is it so strange that when you see someone flying the Confederate flag, those people are associated with racist organizations?

Want to do that, go ahead but move overseas.

Nemo

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