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South Carolina recently changed so that Weapon Reciprocity is now honored with Georgia.
But even with Reciprocity, there are differences between what is allowed with weapon carry in those two states!
Checking into this, looks like no open carry in SC, no carry in a person's home without that person's specific permission, and "No Gun" signs have legal weight. Have I missed anything?
 

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Alcohol differences too.

Honestly carry in places of worship is probably the item that has the highest similarity with Georgia...lots else is completely different.
 

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South Carolina Law Enforcement Division (SLED) is in charge of gun permits.
On their website they have links to three Code sections dealing with guns and off-limits locations.

http://www.sled.sc.gov/SCStateGunLaws1.aspx?MenuID=CWP

And here's SLED's summary of off-limits locations. This appears to be a paraphrase of various laws, not actual text from any Code section:

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A Concealable Weapons Permit (CWP) holder is prohibited from carrying a handgun at these locations:

Premises of private or public school, college, university, technical college, other post-secondary institution (without express permission of person in charge of premises)(Section 16-23-420)(Felony - $5000 and/or 5 years imprisonment)

Inside public-owned buildings of any kind, except at Interstate highway rest areas (Section 16-23-420)(Felony - $5000 and/or 5 years imprisonment)

Inside an establishment licensed for on-premises consumption of alcohol (Section 16-23-465)(Misdemeanor - $2000 and/or 3 years imprisonment)

Into a private residence without permission of owner or person in legal control or possession, as appropriate (Section 23-31-225)(Misdemeanor - $1000 and/or 1 year imprisonment)

A place where carrying is prohibited by proper sign (Section 23-31-235)(Misdemeanor - $200 or 30 days imprisonment)

A CWP does not authorize carrying a firearm:

Into a law enforcement office or facility

Into a detention or correctional facility

Into a courthouse or courtroom

Into a polling place on election day

Into an office or business meeting of a governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special purpose district

Into a school or college athletic event not related to firearms

Into a day care or pre-school facility

Into a place where carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law

Into a church or other established religious sanctuary, except with express permission of the appropriate church official or church governing body

Into a hospital, medical clinic, doctor's office, any facility where medical services or procedures are performed, except (employees of the facility) with express permission of the employer

Violation of these provisions is a misdemeanor - not less than $1000 and/or imprisonment for 1 year and revocation of permit for 5 years.
 

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South Carolina Law Enforcement Division (SLED) is in charge of gun permits.
On their website they have links to three Code sections dealing with guns and off-limits locations.

http://www.sled.sc.gov/SCStateGunLaws1.aspx?MenuID=CWP

And here's SLED's summary of off-limits locations. This appears to be a paraphrase of various laws, not actual text from any Code section:

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A Concealable Weapons Permit (CWP) holder is prohibited from carrying a handgun at these locations:

Premises of private or public school, college, university, technical college, other post-secondary institution (without express permission of person in charge of premises)(Section 16-23-420)(Felony - $5000 and/or 5 years imprisonment)

Inside public-owned buildings of any kind, except at Interstate highway rest areas (Section 16-23-420)(Felony - $5000 and/or 5 years imprisonment)

Inside an establishment licensed for on-premises consumption of alcohol (Section 16-23-465)(Misdemeanor - $2000 and/or 3 years imprisonment)

Into a private residence without permission of owner or person in legal control or possession, as appropriate (Section 23-31-225)(Misdemeanor - $1000 and/or 1 year imprisonment)

A place where carrying is prohibited by proper sign (Section 23-31-235)(Misdemeanor - $200 or 30 days imprisonment)

A CWP does not authorize carrying a firearm:

Into a law enforcement office or facility

Into a detention or correctional facility

Into a courthouse or courtroom

Into a polling place on election day

Into an office or business meeting of a governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special purpose district

Into a school or college athletic event not related to firearms

Into a day care or pre-school facility

Into a place where carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law

Into a church or other established religious sanctuary, except with express permission of the appropriate church official or church governing body

Into a hospital, medical clinic, doctor’s office, any facility where medical services or procedures are performed, except (employees of the facility) with express permission of the employer

Violation of these provisions is a misdemeanor â€" not less than $1000 and/or imprisonment for 1 year and revocation of permit for 5 years.
These all seem extremely harsh. The public buildings prohibition seems especially like it's just there to get people busted.
 

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Like I said, the WORST gun laws in the South. SMH
 

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Kurt, you left out a place you can't carry in your list.........Public Transportation.

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t58c023.php

SECTION 58-23-1820. Definitions.

For purposes of this article:

(a) "passenger" means any individual served by a public transportation provider including charter bus activities;

(b) "bus" means any passenger bus or other motor vehicle having a seating capacity of not less than ten passengers operated by a public transportation provider for the purpose of carrying passengers, including charter passengers;

(c) "public transportation" is as defined in item (10) of Section 58-25-20;

(d) "public transportation provider" means any operator who offers or delivers public transportation;

(e) "public transportation vehicle" means any configuration of equipment for the purpose of providing public transportation.

HISTORY: 1986 Act No. 405, eff May 12, 1986.
SECTION 58-23-1830. General prohibitions; persons who may be refused transportation; violations and penalties.

(a) It is unlawful for any passenger to commit any of the following acts in a bus or any other public transportation vehicle:

(1) discard litter, except into receptacles designated for that purpose;

(2) play any radio, cassette, cartridge, tape player, or similar device unless controlled by the operator, unless the device is connected to an earphone that limits the sound to the hearing of the individual user;

(3) carry or possess any weapon, explosives, acids, other dangerous articles, or live animals, except for a seeing eye dog or a hearing ear dog properly harnessed and accompanied by its owner, small animals properly packaged, or weapons carried by or animals used by a law enforcement official;
 

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Would the boat that goes to Fort Sumter be considered public transportation?
 

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Handgunlaw.us says restuarant carry that serves alchohol is fine so long as it isn't posted and you don't conume any but this contradicts what they're saying.

Inside an establishment licensed for on-premises consumption of alcohol (Section 16-23-465)(Misdemeanor - $2000 and/or 3 years imprisonment)
ETA: You left some very important parts of that code section out.

SECTION 16-23-465. Additional penalty for unlawfully carrying pistol or firearm onto premises of business selling alcoholic liquor, beer or wine for on-premises consumption; exceptions.

(A) In addition to the penalties provided for by Sections 16-11-330, 16-11-620, 16-23-460, 23-31-220, and Article 1, Chapter 23, Title 16, a person convicted of carrying a firearm into a business which sells alcoholic liquor, beer, or wine for consumption on the premises is guilty of a misdemeanor, and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than two thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

In addition to the penalties described above, a person who violates this section while carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23 must have his concealed weapon permit revoked for a period of five years.

(B)(1) This section does not apply to a person carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to and in compliance with Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23; however, the person shall not consume alcoholic liquor, beer, or wine while carrying the concealable weapon on the business' premises. A person who violates this item may be charged with a violation of subsection (A).

(2) A property owner, holder of a lease interest, or operator of a business may prohibit the carrying of concealable weapons into the business by posting a "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" sign in compliance with Section 23-31-235. A person who carries a concealable weapon into a business with a sign posted in compliance with Section 23-31-235 may be charged with a violation of subsection (A).

(3) A property owner, holder of a lease interest, or operator of a business may request that a person carrying a concealable weapon leave the business' premises, or any portion of the premises, or request that a person carrying a concealable weapon remove the concealable weapon from the business' premises, or any portion of the premises. A person carrying a concealable weapon who refuses to leave a business' premises or portion of the premises when requested or refuses to remove the concealable weapon from a business' premises or portion of the premises when requested may be charged with a violation of subsection (A).

HISTORY: 1977 Act No. 45; 1993 Act No. 184, Section 190; 1996 Act No. 464, Section 5; 2002 Act No. 274, Section 2, eff May 28, 2002; 2014 Act No. 123 (S.308), Section 1, eff February 11, 2014.
http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t16c023.php
 

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It's easy, and also unfortunate, to think that Georgia's carry laws default as "normal". And then find out that the laws of other states each create additional opportunities to criminalize carry behaviors that are protected rights in other states.
So here's the $64,000 question - will nationwide carry reciprocity actually result in massively increasing criminal violations of state gun laws because of creating more opportunities for carriers from one state to accidentally/negligently run afoul of prohibitions in other states???
 

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It's easy, and also unfortunate, to think that Georgia's carry laws default as "normal". And then find out that the laws of other states each create additional opportunities to criminalize carry behaviors that are protected rights in other states.
So here's the $64,000 question - will nationwide carry reciprocity actually result in massively increasing criminal violations of state gun laws because of creating more opportunities for carriers from one state to accidentally/negligently run afoul of prohibitions in other states???
Well, would you risk transporting hollow points through New Jersey today?
 

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Well, would you risk transporting hollow points through New Jersey today?
Yet another example of how national reciprocity would increase the incidence of accidental or negligent criminal acts by citizens doing what comes natural back in their home states?

The unintended consequences of national reciprocity really bite.
 

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Yet another example of how national reciprocity would increase the incidence of accidental or negligent criminal acts by citizens doing what comes natural back in their home states?

The unintended consequences of national reciprocity really bite.
This is one reason I think 50-state shall-issue via SCOTUS should happen first. Let states get used to the idea of their own law-abiding citizens carrying, then all the little nitpicks with non-residents will fall as well: it's less of a psychological leap.
 

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Yet another example of how national reciprocity would increase the incidence of accidental or negligent criminal acts by citizens doing what comes natural back in their home states?

The unintended consequences of national reciprocity really bite.
It's no different that it is now. If you carry in a reciprocal state now, you need to know the laws of that state. National reciprocity will not change that.
 

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Yet another example of how national reciprocity would increase the incidence of accidental or negligent criminal acts by citizens doing what comes natural back in their home states?

The unintended consequences of national reciprocity really bite.
Let's try to stay on topic with SC so this thread will be useful to Georgians visiting there.
 

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Going to South Carolina next week for a short vacation. Seeing that since we now have reciprocity with them it almost doesn't mean much in the long run.

1. Conceal Carry only
2. Can carry in an establishment that serves alcohol but cannot drink any alcoholic beverages (?) <SMH>
3. Have not idea where I might run into a 'No Guns' sign so I'm almost regulated to not carry at all.
4. Apparently a knife over two inches is considered illegal so there goes my extra carry protection.

Good times.
 

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Just remember that the signs have to adhere to the code section to be legal.

http://scstatehouse.gov/code/t23c031.php

SECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements.

(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.

(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:

(1) clearly visible from outside the building;

(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;

(3) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black one-inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;

(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal;

(5) a diameter of a circle; and

(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building's entrance door.

(C) If the premises where concealable weapons are prohibited does not have doors, then the signs contained in subsection (A) must be:

(1) thirty-six inches wide by forty-eight inches tall in size;

(2) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black three- inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;

(3) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle thirty-four inches in diameter with a diagonal line that is two inches wide and runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal and must be a diameter of a circle whose circumference is two inches wide;

(4) placed not less than forty inches and not more than ninety-six inches above the ground;

(5) posted in sufficient quantities to be clearly visible from any point of entry onto the premises.

HISTORY: 1996 Act No. 464, Section 13; 2002 Act No. 274, Section 5.
 

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Going to South Carolina next week for a short vacation. Seeing that since we now have reciprocity with them it almost doesn't mean much in the long run.

1. Conceal Carry only
2. Can carry in an establishment that serves alcohol but cannot drink any alcoholic beverages (?) <SMH>
3. Have not idea where I might run into a 'No Guns' sign so I'm almost regulated to not carry at all.
4. Apparently a knife over two inches is considered illegal so there goes my extra carry protection.

Good times.
Duty to inform.
 
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