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SOCIAL CIRCLE, Ga. - A former Social Circle police officer said he will appeal being fired after video of a shocking traffic stop with a teenager.

Social Circle Police Chief Tyrone Oliver said, along with threatening and cursing out a 17-year-old boy during a traffic stop on November 23, former Officer James Sanders violated policies. Oliver decided to fire Sanders, an 8-year-veteran on the force, Thursday.

Oliver said an anonymous woman called asking him to investigate, after she said, Sanders pulled over a car and "cussed out" teenagers. The Chief reviewed body camera and dash cam video from the incident.
He said it showed Sanders at a traffic stop with another officer when a black Jeep rode by. Sanders heard one of the four passengers in the Jeep yell, "F---- the Police." At that point, he followed the car and pulled it over on North Cherokee Road, according to Oliver.

In the footage, Sanders can be seen yelling at the occupants. He also singled out the teenager who admitted to yelling the profanity-laced remark. Oliver said Sanders also urged the teenager to fight him.

"The teen kept saying, 'No, I don't want to do it.' And he's like, 'No, you're a tough guy...,'" Oliver said.
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At least the kid wasn't arrested for mouthing off.

Cobb County recently paid $100000 to settle a federal civil rights lawsuit over cops arresting a foul-mouthed cop-hating woman who said something similar (F*** the Police!) as she rode her bicycle past cops, and kept on going.
 

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I'll be frank. Since these are teenagers, absent any actual threats of violence, I don't have a problem with what he did.
 

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I'll be frank. Since these are ternagers, absent any actual threats of violence, I don't have a problem with what he did.
Seriously!?!

No problem with an armed, body armored, "adult" sworn peace officer threatening a minor and provoking them to assault him? Wow!
 

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The sad thing is that I know Jim on a first name personal basis and I always liked him and he did a really great job on the force. I saw him and spoke with him briefly a week before this happened in passing.

Sure, I knew he always seemed kinda grumpy all the time and yeah, you could see how he could get angry easily, but never violent, and yeah, he was a bit of a tough guy.

For all intents and proposes he is a good cop, I definitely know this. Was he a perfect cop, no, and I'm not sure there is one.

Just goes to show that anger can sometimes make you do things and say things that are against departmental standards, as the Chief who let him go said. I've heard the new Chief is a good man, but I have not met him yet.

He knows the Constitution and he knew that it was illegal for him to search the whole vehicle, even though most bad cops would have done exactly that. He didn't know that free speech was not a good enough reason to pull the vehicle over.

If you look at the dashcam, as stated by the Chief, the officer left a stop he was already on, ignored the pulled over person, and only once he got up behind them, did they touch the white line to the right side road. He had in his mind to already pull them over due to what was said out of the window. He did not have good cause for the stop.

As far as him threatening to fight him and all the other BS he said, it was exactly that, BS, and he was acting the tough guy to try to bully and show that little kid what a punk he was for saying that. It worked.

Also, other bad things, he didn't let dispatch know he was on this new stop, so if the kid had decided to fight him, and Sanders had to pull his weapon in self-defense, it would have looked very bad, and would have placed the whole stop and everything in question. He also didn't put down a reason for the stop in his backup. He wanted that stop to remain completely off the books. Probably another departmental no-no.

Probably a good idea with letting him, as you can take other threats he made while on duty as well, they were in his file, but gosh, you do hate to see a guy you liked go like this, but I think it was probably the smart move.

I don't think Jim is dangerous or violent, even that bad, but yeah, he'll tell you he's a bit of a *******, and I do believe he is angered easily and may kind of have the bully with a badge mentality a little bit, but nothing too crazy or excessive. He seemed to always stay fairly grounded even when angry.

I don't care what anyone says, I like him, but yeah, it was probably a good idea letting him go after this, and other things that were on his file, such as threats to high school staff he made while he was on duty. I'm sure they were in jest, though, because yeah, he is kinda doggone funny.
 

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Seriously!?!

No problem with an armed, body armored, "adult" sworn peace officer threatening a minor and provoking them to assault him? Wow!
Apparently reading isn't your strong suit. Either that or you were just looking for an excuse to be offended...

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
When dealing with teenage boys it is often neccessary for the grown men in their lives to teach them what is acceptable behavior and what is not. Sometimes that's Dad, other times it's their coach or the local peace officer.
 

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I can sort of maybe get the Scared Straight kind of approach, but I'm having a hard time seeing how mouthing off and being all kinds of disrespectful to a kid is the way to teach him how not to be disrespectful back.

Because cussing at someone is just such a great way to teach them not to cuss at you. :roll:

Can y'all imagine Sheriff Oconee treating a kid who called him a "Pig" this way?
 

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Apparently reading isn't your strong suit. Either that or you were just looking for an excuse to be offended...

When dealing with teenage boys it is often neccessary for the grown men in their lives to teach them what is acceptable behavior and what is not. Sometimes that's Dad, other times it's their coach or the local peace officer.
You, Sir, are now on the ignore list for ad hominem. Just FYI, attacking others is very telling. Good day.
 

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...and they went.
Obvious troll is obvious.

You, Sir, are now on the ignore list for ad hominem. Just FYI, attacking others is very telling. Good day.
So it was the latter, looking for an excuse to be offended. Thank you for confirming. Enjoy your safe space...
 

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I can sort of maybe get the Scared Straight kind of approach, but I'm having a hard time seeing how mouthing off and being all kinds of disrespectful to a kid is the way to teach him how not to be disrespectful back.

Because cussing at someone is just such a great way to teach them not to cuss at you. :roll:

Can y'all imagine Sheriff Oconee treating a kid who called him a "Pig" this way?
It's because it wasn't scared straight, I know this man, and he was angry, that was genuine anger and contempt there. He'll admit to you he's a *******, and I think he's a little hot headed.
 

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It's because it wasn't scared straight, I know this man, and he was angry, that was genuine anger and contempt there.
I disagree. Was he angry or being theatrical during minutes 2-5? I don't know. But the last three minutes of this video were about genuine concern for these kids and specifically the "actor" once they realized he was already in the system.

And the advice he gave the friends (who he he challenged to play basketball) was SPOT ON. Hang around with losers who are in trouble with the law, you WILL get in trouble with the law.

No one got arrested, handcuffed, ticketed, or even put hands on. He even tells them the truth straight up when he says he can't legally search their vehicle. The ONLY thing he did wrong was a detention absent RAS or PC.

Quite frankly, I think history will show that he did these kids a solid.

Can y'all imagine Sheriff Oconee treating a kid who called him a "Pig" this way?
Absent the language, yes I can. Because he strikes me as a man who cares about the community he lives and works in, which means taking the time to teach our young men the difference between right and wrong.
 

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I disagree. Was he angry or being theatrical during minutes 2-5? I don't know. But the last three minutes of this video were about genuine concern for these kids and specifically the "actor" once they realized he was already in the system.

And the advice he gave the friends (who he he challenged to play basketball) was SPOT ON. Hang around with losers who are in trouble with the law, you WILL get in trouble with the law.

No one got arrested, handcuffed, ticketed, or even put hands on. He even tells them the truth straight up when he says he can't legally search their vehicle. The ONLY thing he did wrong was a detention absent RAS or PC.

Quite frankly, I think history will show that he did these kids a solid.

Absent the language, yes I can. Because he strikes me as a man who cares about the community he lives and works in, which means taking the time to teach our young men the difference between right and wrong.
I know this man, he's a hot head, he was genuinely angry there, its why he broke all types of protocols before and during the stop. Anger.

With that said, as with all hot heads in my experience, they cool down very fast, and after he got his B out, he's cool. This is all very indicative of the man I know.

I've stood around and had 30 mins convos with this guy and he's a good guy. He's a bit of a self described red neck and I think he's a hot head, but he's a good man. He even gave me very nice and kind warnings before, he's certainly not all bad, and he's got a bit of bully with a badge complex. I don't really have a problem with the guy. I still like him even after all this.

He never did anything to me and always did a great job. He's very Johnny on the spot when you needed him, hard working, and I think he had fairly good knowledge of the law and what he could do and couldn't do constitutionally.

Overall, not a bad cop and nobody's perfect.
 

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He certainly cares about the community that he works in for sure, he knows EVERYONE and by their first name and all their dirty laundry. I can't tell you the number of times I've seen him playing basketball with at risk youths that may have been heading a bad route, no fathers in the home.

It's not really the government's job to be their daddy though. That's our job through private orgs, and I've done big brother to these kids. Breaks my freaking heart to see how some of these kids live and how starved for love and positive male attention they are. Heck, any attention, mom's don't pay them any attending either. Shameful.

With that said, Jim Sander's appeal to SC started two days ago. We could know something by Friday.

I'm guessing he broke enough protocol the can fall back on to deny the appeal. You should see the out pouring of support for Jim in the community.

If people are smart, they will put pressure on the council members who chose the city manager and chief and they will oust them when this is over. The manager and chief are not elected officials.
 

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He certainly cares about the community that he works in for sure, he knows EVERYONE and by their first name and all their dirty laundry. I can't tell you the number of times I've seen him playing basketball with at risk youths that may have been heading a bad route, no fathers in the home.
And keeping good cops is every bit as important as eliminating bad ones.

It's not really the government's job to be their daddy though. That's our job through private orgs
The job of the police is crime reduction. If one stop like this prevents 10 burglaries later, they are doing their job more efficiently. Is there a wide margin of grey between that and being their Daddy? Yep. And having cops who care instead of anonymous "enforcer" grays it even more.

When I was a kid I got stopped, ticketed, convicted, and sentenced to hard labor several times for being a dumb*** driver. It wasn't until much later that I realized that many of those "charges" weren't even in the law, the "trial" was theater, the sentence wasn't lawful, and in all likelihood not one piece of paper was every actually filed.

You know what I learned? That getting a ticket for "Yard trenchin" (Yes, that was one charge) was not cool because it meant spending the 8 hours on Saturday and Sunday for 4 consecutive summer weekends washing the same three police cars over and over again (on Main street to be laughed at by my peers).
 

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It takes a village eh Philip?
 

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It takes a village eh Philip?
It is undeniable that the community a child grows up in has a significant impact on the outcome.
 

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It is undeniable that the community a child grows up in has a significant impact on the outcome.
That does not answer my question. Do you subscribe to the "it takes a village" mentality?

I have no issues with a law enforcement officer lecturing teens about unlawful behavior. However; I do have issue with a law enforcement officer lecturing teens not to do something that is perfectly legal.

But as I have learned from folks here, it is a-ok to assault someone who expresses speech you do not like or to even delight in seeing someone experience horrible pain for speech deemed unacceptable. So I guess these kids got off lucky.
 

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That does not answer my question. Do you subscribe to the "it takes a village" mentality?
It answers your question, just not in the manner you wanted. Sorry, not interested in a childish pissing match. Troll elsewhere.
 
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