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http://www.christiancourier.com/article ... dead_wrong

This article used to have a great picture of a guy (now deceased from snakebite) holding up a huge timber rattlesnake, but it seems to have disappeared.

 

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Found it!

 

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Re: WOW!!!!!

http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/read/sincere_but_wrong_dead_wrong

This article used to have a great picture of a guy (now deceased from snakebite) holding up a huge timber rattlesnake, but it seems to have disappeared.

What is interesting is the bible says tread, not pick up. I have tread on several rattle snakes, usually it's during the opening days of deer season because it is still warm. I guess I don't have much faith because I where 24" snake boots until the first hard frost. :shock: :shock: :shock:
As my pastor say's "that's ignorance gone to seed".
TJ

No, it says they shall "take up." Mark 16:18, but that has no application to you or your "pastor" (whatever that is) or to the modern age.

It's in the link . . .

 

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or your "pastor" (whatever that is)

here we go again

Ok, ok . . .

But you gotta admit that is a hairy picture!

 

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It's not disdain . . .

Really more wonderment . . .

 

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Am I that harsh? :?

I try to be respectful and polite.

 

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Re: WOW!!!!!

Malum,
I certainly don't want to offend you by this statement but are you catholic . . .

Nope. (nor am I offended - how can I be offended by a curious question?)

or a denomination that do not have clergy as pastors?

I think denominations are sinful - I am beyond nondenominational - I am anti-denominational. I also see no warrant in the New Testament for "clergy," as distinct from the "layperson." There is neither command, authority, or an implicit assertion, or, for that matter, even a necessary inference from the text to support this manmade distinction.

pas·tor (păs'tər)
n.
A Christian minister or priest having spiritual charge over a congregation or other group.
A layperson having spiritual charge over a person or group.
A shepherd.

Which verse is that?

Although there is a term "pastor" that is sometimes described as "shepard" (bishop, elder, depending on the translation you use), there is no authority in the New Testament for any one person exercising this authority over a congregation. Congregations of the Lord's church in the New Testament (i.e., in the first century A.D., when there was only one church, and men were acting under direct inspiration) were each lead locally by a plurality of elders meeting very strict qualifications. See 1 Timothy 3:1-7; Titus 1:5-9.

I adhere to the New Testament pattern, but not manmade traditions and offices, such as the Catholic and denominational religions you mentioned.

My pastor happens to be my best friend that I've known for many years. But out of respect for his position at our church he is my pastor.

I am not sure what this means, in terms of why he is your pastor, but I am sure both you and he are sincere.

Before this gets out of control in the religious arguments I want to leave it alone.

*Disclaimer:
This is not the opinion of anyone in particular on this website.
I have done all I can do here to prevent this thing from getting out of control.
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It ought not to "get out of control." You asked questions, and I answered them.

You made no personal attacks on me. I made no personal attacks on you.

I sincerely doubt I will become your enemy simply answering your questions in an honest and forthright manner.

 

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If you are really interested in examining my views further, I tend to agree with this one page article on the subject of What Is a Pastor?

And, of course, those who get easily offended in such matters need not click on it!

 

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As to my particular religion, into which you inquired, it is important to be able to identify the church of the New Testament.

 

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I understand from reports of others, that it is a very backwards sort of thing.

“a little-known fundamentalist Christian sect . . . primarily based in the rural sections of the South and Appalachia.â€

. . . average educational level among members of the church is below the 12th grade, and that an “educated†person among us is “an anomaly.â€

. . . charges that “they make being a member of their church co-extensive with being a Christian.â€

Our Methodist friend contends we teach that the “only way to avoid damnation is to repent, be baptized, and joinâ€"and be accepted intoâ€"[our] denomination.â€

“Like other fundamentalist sects, the Church of Christ’s teaching focuses heavily upon sexual conduct.â€

:roll:

Source for the above nonsense Sort of conjures up images of one toothed gun-toting hillbillies, doesn't it? :lol:

 

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Re: Ok, Cool!

it's still ignorance gone to seed(refering to the original article).
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I thought it was funny.

 

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:shock:

Common sense not to do this? :lol:

 

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As far as snaking handling goes, I believe th good LORD gives us common sense too.

The problem is with so many sincere religious people out there teaching that miracles are something ocurring in the modern day. They are sincere, but misguided, and have never really chosen (most of them anyway) to devote any serious time to studying what God's word has to say on the subject.

That is why the title of that article was Sincere But Wrong: Dead Wrong.

 

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:shock:

If this guy was running after you in the parking lot of a mall screaming incoherent threats about God's judgment on people who carry guns, would you be justified in shooting?



How is that for back on topic ("snake brandishing")?

 

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I will be the first one to say that GOD does perform miracles today just like HE did 2000 years ago. I have seen them in my own life. Would you place your hand on a red hot stove burner and expect not to get burned? Could GOD stop you from getting burned if HE wanted to? Yes HE could.

Who said he could not? Me? If so, quote it from above. That is a strawman argument, I think. :wink: What I mean is - what you stated, whether God could, is irrelevant to whether he would.

 

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It's threads like this, that me glad to be the . . . Jew in the group.

I was wondering about that from a previous post. :lol:

 

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Malum,
I don't want to start another debate here, but could you explain this statement?

Miracles in the modern day? Sure. Let me ask you a question first. This is not biblically based, but merely your observation. Ever seen anybody raised form the dead? How about an ear instantaneously re-attached. Ever see any non-disputable miracle? The kind that everybody present would affirm was miraculous and nobody would deny?

The miracles Jesus did were of that sort. Even his enemies did not deny the miracles, but attributed them to Satan rather than God.

(1) Ever see any like that?

(2) What is the purpose of a miracle in the New Testament?

That first question is simple common sense, which, I assume you affirm God wants you to use.

The second question will begin to get us into the biblical portion of answering your question, since that should be the answer that matters to you. I will simply assume this matters to you, on the basis of the question you asked (as you probably would not have asked if you did not care about what God's word has to say on the subject).

 

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This religious talk offends me. Please stop.

:roll:

:lol:

 

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Prayer = Miracles. (Not all the time of course)

Not all the time?

How about never?

I am not speaking of providence, but of miracles.