Sig's: hair triggers ? really ? not any of mine.

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by NTA, Dec 3, 2017.

  1. NTA

    NTA Well-Known Member

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    Looking at the stats for AD's (see below), Glocks may be in the running for their share:

    Article about the recent trial in CA blames the Sig:
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    It’s an elite handgun intended for law enforcement and military personnel who may need to fire it with split second notice. Hence, it has a hair trigger in single-action mode. Even among well-trained users, it has a lengthy history of accidental discharges.

    Most police agencies don’t make records public, but those that do reveal disturbing data. In a four-year period (2012-2015), the New York City Police Department reported 54 accidental firearm discharges, 10 involving SIG Sauers. Los Angeles County reported more than 80 accidental discharges between 2010 and 2015, five involving SIG Sauers. From 2005 to January 2011, the San Francisco Police Department reported 29 accidental discharges (a time when it issued SIG Sauers as its primary sidearm)…

    The SIG Sauer in Lopez Sanchez’s case has three features prone to accidents:

    1. No safety lever, making it perpetually ready for firing.
    2. Manufacturer-issued trigger pull of 4.4 pounds of force (in single-action mode), which is among the lightest on the market.
    3. An unlabeled decocking lever despite being essential to disengage the single-action mode. (The SIG Sauer safety manual urges “DO NOT THUMB THE HAMMER DOWN the consequences can be serious injury or death — only and ALWAYS use the decocking lever.”)
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    New York City requires officers using SIG Sauers to disable its single-action function because the hair trigger is too dangerous. Those using the gun can only do so in double-action mode, which has a 10-pound trigger pull.

    Still capable of accidentally discharging, it provides some modicum of greater safety. However, single-action was not disabled on the handgun involved in this case, which Lopez Sanchez says he found wrapped in a T-shirt, thereby concealing its danger.
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    https://www.redstate.com/sarah-rumpf/2017/11/30/lied-kate-steinle-case/
     
  2. johnski

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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    I just picked up a SIG SP 2340 which is basically the exact same gun except the frame is polymer. It has a "unlabled decocker" as well. Anyone with a passing interest in the firearm and certainly anyone carrying it would know where and what the de-cocker is for. It requires no 'elite' training.

    The single-action is no where near a 'hair trigger'. I've owned two Walther PPQs that had a trigger pull that feels twice as light as this SIG 2340 is in single action.

    Bwahahahahahaha. Maybe officers should receive, I don't know, some kind of basic training?
     
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  3. johnski

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    If you are a police officer who carries around this gun with a round in the chamber and the hammer pulled back, you deserve to be shot with your own weapon, idiot (not directed at anyone here). It's supposed to be carried with a round in the chamber and the de-cocker used to lower the hammer safely on the round in the chamber, resulting on a long, deliberate trigger pull on your first shot. It would seem many police officers, especially in blue states, have inadequate training on the use and carry of their firearms.
     
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  4. a_springfield

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    How can you trust what a person that was not even supposed to have a gun says.

    Using the same reference as I did in another post. Could a drunk use this "hair trigger" excuse when they run down a pedestrian on a side walk. This new car has a hair steering and was meant for Police that need to make rapid steering movements while chasing bad guys?
     
  5. zetor

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    Not even close to being a "hair" trigger.

    It's sH!t like this that makes firearms come with crappy triggers and the owners manual roll marked on the side.
     
  6. johnski

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    And a bicycle lock.
     
  7. Schweisshund

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    Did anyone ever explain how a fully loaded Sig ended up being thrown away in a dumpster?
     
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  9. NTA

    NTA Well-Known Member

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    stolen 4 days before from a fed agent

    wrapped in an old T-shirt

    yes, right !
     
  10. johnski

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    If this were Mexico, he would have been beaten to a unrecognizable pulp by a mob, dumped into a 50-gallon drum barrel, poured over with gasoline then set on fire.
     
  11. a_springfield

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    Sound like a good idea. Maybe people would think twice about killin innocent people.
     
  12. HCountyGuy

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    As Hank Hill would say: That’s just asinine.

    The SA on a TDA Sig is far from a “hair trigger”. It may have a little less weight than a Glock, but a Glock has less trigger travel before engaging the sear.

    The only thing that could be considered a “hair trigger” would be when a short-reset kit is put in and one rides the reset. There is so little movement required to reset the trigger on an SRT equipped Sig there have been shooters known to inadvertently squeeze off another round.

    Honestly this could have happened with a Glock or other striker-fired firearm with a short trigger travel. However, it doesn’t really mean much if one utilizes common sense and doesn’t finger the damn trigger to begin with (unless you’re intending to shoot someone/something).
     
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  13. RedDawnTheMusical

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    No "hair trigger" and typical LE forearms don't have hair triggers - in fact they are typically the opposite as many agencies demand a DA/SA trigger and/or heavier trigger weight to ensure the officer knows what he's doing before firing the shot.

    The whole story is crap.