[Malum Prohibitum]

In videotapes captured in Afghanistan, al-Qaida terrorists practiced the takeover of a school - issuing commands in English, separating children into manageable groups and killing anyone who offered resistance. Some hostages were take to rooftops, dangled over the edge, then shot for the sake of cameras and onlookers.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57665

 

[pro2am]

Very telling...

The targets will probably be in states "with no concealed-carry laws and no hunting culture"

Its a matter of time. I'm convinced that it will happen here soon.

 

[VolGrad]

Very telling...

The targets will probably be in states "with no concealed-carry laws and no hunting culture"

Its a matter of time. I'm convinced that it will happen here soon.

This is truly scary to me since I have a school-aged (almost) child and a teacher spouse. I agree it is only a matter of time. It doesn't even have to be terrorists. Recall the guy who took over the Amish school house a couple of years ago?

Luckily, I have been working on my wife's SA. She spotted and reported a couple of guys walking around her school the other day. She provided an excellent description and kept an eye on them (from a safe distance) until the SRO arrived. They claimed to be "waiting for a ride". Interesting that they decided that they would wait in and amongst the buildings on campus for their "ride" to show up. They were not parents, not school workers, and had no business on campus at all. We will likely never know what their real motivation was. I find it particularly disturbing that there were two of them.

 

[budder]

Very telling...

The targets will probably be in states "with no concealed-carry laws and no hunting culture"

Its a matter of time. I'm convinced that it will happen here soon.

This is truly scary to me since I have a school-aged (almost) child and a teacher spouse. I agree it is only a matter of time. It doesn't even have to be terrorists. Recall the guy who took over the Amish school house a couple of years ago?

Almost one year ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting

 

[wsweeks2]

Its a matter of time. I'm convinced that it will happen here soon.

I'm with you on this sentiment.

U.S. schools all have regular fire drills despite the fact that not one child has been killed by fire in an American school in the last 25 years.

This says it all. Feel good policy has never cured anything. What are fire drills preventing?

 

[VolGrad]

What are fire drills preventing?

They usually prevent things like spelling tests.

EDIT: That was a joke. I am in support of fire drills.

 

[wsweeks2]

They usually prevent things like spelling tests.

:lol:

 

[SigP229]

Very telling...

The targets will probably be in states "with no concealed-carry laws and no hunting culture"

Its a matter of time. I'm convinced that it will happen here soon.

And putting an armed guard or two isn't going to protect the kids from terrorist, especially like they said, some are already on the inside and would just overpower them. The faculty need to be armed.

 

[fallison]

This is a quote from the Warrior Talk newsletter that relates to the threaat to our schools and planning for it.

FROM GABE SUAREZ
I find the attitude of some americans incomprehensible. Six years ago Muslim Terrorists attacked and murdered thousands of our countrymen. It wasn't an eartquake or a fire. Nor was it an accident. While it certainly was tragic, it was also a deliberate act of evil men. Today, if you go by what the mass media is saying, it is as if it never happened...or as if it was some sort of natural disaster...or even that it was the president's plan all long. There is all manner of hand-wringing and memorials, but little desire for reciprocity to those who did it. It makes you wonder if Americans are the stupidest people on earth. And the cherry on top of the terrorism sundae is that there is now intelligence about their intent on attacking our schools. Here is my take on that issue.

The world of Ozzie and Harriet is gone. We are a culture at war. Tell your kids that and let them understand who the enemy is. The time for fairness and equality and all of that other business is past. We know who attacked us and we know who is bent on attacking us again. If you are not profiling you are stupid. Let us name the enemy even if our leaders will not. The enemy is Radical Islam. I hear from many sources that there are non-radicals in Islam. Great...I hope so. They are advised to get on every TV station and write letters to every newspaper condemning Al Queda and Bin ladin and all of the religious leaders calling for jihad. And they need to do it NOW!. Until then, we will be very suspicious of all of them. I also think that they may become unfortunate targets of blind revenge should a school be attacked.

Tell your kids that if they are at school and hear gunfire or anything like what we are discussing they are to run and get out of the school. If they can't run, to go hide somewhere. Their well-meaning, but tactically-inept, teachers will only be herding them into lockdown so hadji doesn't have to hunt for them. Lockdown is a stupid answer for teachers that don't want to lose control of the classroom. Tough Crap! Tell your kids to disobey. Tell them to violate the rules. Tell them to RUN OR HIDE.

Tell them to draw you a map of the school...according to their perspective. Name the rooms and likely hiding places. Get (or steal) a map of the school at the next PTA meeting. Memorize the layout as well as where you might enter the grounds unseen. Plan your infil and exfil routes accordingly. The traditional response will probably be to contain the place and talk to the terrorists. Rubbish. While the negotiator is jabbering at them to surrender they will be cutting off ears while they pray.

Give the kids a cell phone...keep it charged. School doesn't allow it. Tough crap. Rules are meant to be broken. Teach them that as well! Tell them that if something bad happens they need to call you. Tell them that you WILL come and get them.

The call they place to you (heaven forbid) should include in this order:

1). What happened
2). Where they are hiding...or better where they went once they left the school
3). Possible number of bad guys

If your little darlings can't be taught to do that, drill them until they get it right. This is a world at war now and there is no room for weak kids. Teach strength.

Your plan. Get to the school. Infiltrate and move to the hiding place. Go through anyone that wants to stop you. Grab your kid and exfiltrate the way you came. Did I mention to Kill anyone who wants to stop you on the way out.

Your kit should include enough ammo to overwhelm the terrorist and still have enough to keep up a good fight. This ain't the time for the one magazine, liability-averse, legal eagle CCW stuff. This is aggressive attacking with gunfire. Pistols will still be in order but several high capacity magazines will be mandatory. If your state disallows hi-caps, travel to a free state and buy them there. Things in your kit should include ammo....lots of ammo. Clothing suitable for infiltration of such a place...perhaps an FBI raid jacket or something like that, and a trauma kit....and bacon for the dead terrorists.

If I worked at a school, I would carry my gun with me. Conceal it well. It is a risk, but I'll bet there are plenty who will be doing just that now. Obeying rules will not help you when they are herding you into the gym for beheading practice.

This is ugly business, but I doubt anyone here will consider sitting helpless outside the wire while the whining negotiators try to talk to those who are not listening while murders and rapes are occurring Beslan style in the name of jihad. You may die trying...but then again, you may prevail. Incredible odds have been surmounted before...perhaps now its your turn.

And if we die, we die as men...as warriors, not as nutless, sexless liberal poltroons unworthy of the nation whose tit they suck on daily.

And then...after its over...the hunting begins....until there is no enemy left.

Keep Your Guns Loaded
Your Knives Sharp
Your Eyes Open, and Your Warrior Hearts Red!
Gabe Suarez
SUAREZ INTERNATIONAL U.S.A. Inc.

 

[fallison]

And if anyone thinks that would be an over reaction, google Beslan.

 

[viper32cm]

Prescient advice.

However, anyone who actually tried something like that could be in for a media $hitstorm, especially if their mission failed in anyway (for example a teacher or cop died in the process of the rescue).

But if its your kids, the media can go itself anyway

 

[VolGrad]

And if anyone thinks that would be an over reaction, google Beslan.

Interesting article. Seems somewhat over-reactive but I agree with most of it. My problem is not with what he said, just that it will sound so far out to most people that the message will be lost on most.

Again, I am a parent and have a teacher wife so this does mean something to me. I think the main points here are to be familiar with the layout - both you and the child. The point about having a cell phone is a good one too. Instruct the child not to call 911, to call you instead. You can better relay what is happening to the po-po than the child. Keep the child on the line and call 911 from another line if possible and relay questions, if necessary. IMO running is good only if you have a clear exit from the school and/or grounds. Hiding is good if you are not sure you aren't running right into the terrorist's hands. I would even suggest the child not stay in groups at all. Groups are easier to find/hear than singles.

Yes, if I ever get that call from my wife or child, I will respond appropriately. Law be damned. I might call 911 myself on the way in though and tell them I am a G/G and not to shoot me on sight.

 

[viper32cm]

Yes, if I ever get that call from my wife or child, I will respond appropriately. Law be damned. I might call 911 myself on the way in though and tell them I am a G/G and not to shoot me on sight.

Actually announce that you were going to go into a hostage situation to rescue your kids? I'd think they do everything they could to stop you, ESPECIALLY if you were armed. In fact I could see them arresting you for interference with a police matter, that or 16-11-127.1. But yes, I agree law be damned.

I think the utility of that advice has a lot to do with the school your kid goes to. I know at my high school a plan like that would have almost certainly worked. However, a small school without much in the way of cover surrounding it might make either an infiltration or an exfiltration quite difficult.

 

[SigP229]

I think that there would be no negotiating with terrorists and if they did take over a school in this country, their only mission would be to kill as many children as possible, then kill themselves....and leaving lawmakers wondering what could have been done to prevent it.

 

[wsweeks2]

I think that there would be no negotiating with terrorists and if they did take over a school in this country, their only mission would be to kill as many children as possible, then kill themselves....and leaving lawmakers wondering what could have been done to prevent it.

We all know that there are EBR's planning such a hijacking as we speak. What would we do without Sarah Brady? :roll:

 

[ber950]

I think that there would be no negotiating with terrorists and if they did take over a school in this country, their only mission would be to kill as many children as possible, then kill themselves....and leaving lawmakers wondering what could have been done to prevent it.

I have heard rumors of plans that include multiple schools. Just like 9/11 involved multiple planes. If one of these attacks occurs elsewhere it would be a good idea to check your kid out of school.

 

[SigP229]

I think that there would be no negotiating with terrorists and if they did take over a school in this country, their only mission would be to kill as many children as possible, then kill themselves....and leaving lawmakers wondering what could have been done to prevent it.

I have heard rumors of plans that include multiple schools. Just like 9/11 involved multiple planes. If one of these attacks occurs elsewhere it would be a good idea to check your kid out of school.

As fast as you can!!

 

[Thorsen]

My wife is an elementary school teacher. I can guarantee you if her school was targeted and she was captured and held hostage that the police might as well shoot me because I am going in to get her and as many others as I can out of that place. And anyone who shoots at me is the enemy.

 

[viper32cm]

I have heard rumors of plans that include multiple schools. Just like 9/11 involved multiple planes. If one of these attacks occurs elsewhere it would be a good idea to check your kid out of school.

As fast as you can!!

There will be a rush on all schools in a case like this. Could get messy with anxious parents and long lines. Though the school could just cancel class.

 

[pro2am]

...In fact I could see them arresting you for interference with a police matter, that or 16-11-127.1....

You can always say that you were just picking up your kid...its all legal then...at least for 16-11-127.1.

I will say that this stuff really scares me. I have one in elementary, one in Jr. High, and two in high school. Of all the schools in the nation, what are the chances of one of my kids schools being the target? Pretty slim. But its scary nonetheless.